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    If it's an offence to drive with your back fog light on in clear weather ( one of my friends got pulled 2 weeks ago for this ,had been driving in fog ,fog cleared but he forgot about the back fog lamp,he was warned and told if he was caught again it would be a £60 fine ) why is it not an offence when someone coming past you with front fog lamps full on???This point was put to a local police man, but could not tell him why.
     
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    No I think its modern lighting that is the problem.
    A couple of years ago they replaced all the old traffic light bulbs with LEDs.
    They are totally blinding and very distracting.
    On many crossing lights you now get a blast of the green and also the red from the pedestrian, "do not cross" sign lower down, its very distracting.
     
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    And oddly, LED's are by their very nature more directional than traditional bulbs

    The ones that annoy me are retro-fitted HID's that have one lens directed to the opposite carriageway and the other searching for Saturn

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      Decent bulbs Nathan - little known fact that they are actually Philips Extreme Vision rebadged, and are on a par with the Osram Nightbreakers. Its amazing the difference that a good set of bulbs can make

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        Does anyone actually have trouble seeing with their standard fitted head lights?

        To me, the only problem is the bloke coming the other way with what appears to be a search lights.
        Are people actually fitting non standard bulbs?
        If they are, then I can now see why I'm having problems.
         
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          Definitely @pete - I started using upgrade bulbs when I had my X-Type as the headlights were absolutely dire. As mentioned earlier, my 2007 Passat had modern projector lights which were nearly as bad as the Jag, and the A4 isn't a busting lot better - once bulbs start to pop and I can justify the 30 quid or so they will be Osrams



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          If you cant see with the standard bulbs its questionable that you should actually be driving at all.
           
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          Its not that I can't see - I can see better with upgraded bulbs.

          Modern headlights are no longer simply about function, they are sculpted to make up the 'face' of the car, and that is to the detriment of light output

          Some cars are better than others - the A4 is much better than the Passat was (the Passat was so poor I hauled out bulbs that were still functioning)

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            I must have had more than 15 cars since I started driving.
            I've never felt the need to change the head lights.
            Must be a modern fad.

            Its fine allowing yourself to see better, but if it blinds all on coming traffic:frown:
             
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            Not if they are correctly fitted and aligned to the letter of the law. I keep my cars absolutely spot on to the point that they would pass an MOT any day chosen

            The lights that blind oncoming traffic are the (illegal) retrofitted HID's that are truly a modern fad and a danger. Thankfully, the MOT is tightening further in April so all those idiots that have spent out to fit them are likely to have to spend out to change them back

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              The bulbs I mentioned above are legal for use on the road and as long as your headlights aren't adjusted up to dazzle oncoming traffic.

              It isn't that I cannot see with standard bulbs, but more to do with the fact that you can see more.
               
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                Sorry to have to disagree, but the law meant to protect other drivers from being blinded by your lights is wrong and ineffective.

                A HID kit, with all the regulation self levelling etc is great, unless it so happens that when its level and perfectly aligned, another car is directly in the beam, as happens on some bends and coming over the brow of hills.

                In other words, its fine as long as the road is straight and flat, but not so when the road has curves and lumps and bumps in it. Like the road I have to drive every day.

                What makes matters worse is that it is exactly when approaching a bend or slight hill that you need most to not be blinded. If your going perfectly straight and you get dazzled and are blind for a couple of seconds, its not great but its not the end of the world. All you have to do is hold the car straight until your vision comes back after a couple of seconds, but if you're approaching a bend, you need your eyes most, because you need to follow the line of the road as it bends, and navigating for 2 seconds blind is pretty impossible if its not a straight line.

                Then there's when you get one behind you. Even with the lights correctly adjusted, if they can aim at the road, they can aim into the back window and mirrors of the car in front. especially if the car is like mine, quite old with much lower windows than modern cars.
                 
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                  Due to my car I am on a Saxo Clio Forum, excellent for free manuals and information

                  95% Of members are the ones you see on every Sat/Sun morning papers front page of hit a tree and deed
                  Most of them are fitting illegal lamps extra bright blue tint, along with under floor neons, along with their boom boxes
                  It could be them you are seeing in front and behind, they are a menace

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                    Quite often, the laser cannons that bother me the most are on new cars. But here's the thing. I found something out quite by chance just recently, after someone whined on another forum that their car failed its first MOT due to misaligned headlights.

                    This other forum is full of both regular drivers and proper mechanics. 2 things came out of that discussion. 1) Lots of new cars fail their first MOT for the same reason, because the manufacturers, keen to ship the new cars out as quickly and cheaply as possible, and knowing that 3 years is a long time for a car, often don't 'waste time' checking headlight alignment, and 2) the regulations are a bit more complicated than many MOT testers realise, so often they apply a one size fits all policy when testing the lights, when in fact the alignment has to be different depending on how high on the vehicle the lights are mounted. Cars with lights mounted over a certain height have to point slightly down at a steeper angle than those with lights below that threshold, but apparently many testers don't realise, and just check the same angle on all. Also, apparently many don't realise that with lights brighter than a given threshold, the light distribution pattern has stricter rules, so whereas my oil lamps would pass even with a lot of diffused light, some HID ones have to have a very sharp cut-off. So in summary, new cars roll out with badly adjusted lights that don't stand a chance of being identified as such for at least 3 years, and even when they are required to go for an MOT, the testers often let stuff through that they should not.
                     
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