now leaving school at 17

Hi inter. Not really a cop-out. Just that any G'vnment has no idea what it's like for kids from "normal" backgrounds. Their answer is to force kids to stay on at school. All that means is that the ones that don't want to be there will make it difficult for the ones that do. Now, I've said this on another thread, " the most important influence on a kid's behaviour is the peer group" not the parents. ( If you don't believe me, Gooogle it).
Kids will gravitate to the ones that buck the system which will disrupt the learning process.
Better to let the kids that want further education carry on and do it and let the others get on and do what they want.
I have a fair amount of dealings with kids that have just left school( I mean kids from working backgrounds,, not the middle-class) and they go to college because they're not sure what they want to do but think extra qualifications will help them when they decide what they want. Guys, it's not easy for kids nowadays. There is no set "moral" or correct way to behave.
In a society that puts the acquisition of goods (houses etc.) to be the most important thing, then how you acquire the money to be able to do it is unimportant, to them. (Sorry about the car radio:D)
No moral values. But we're the older generation, we haven't set an example, probably thank Maggie for that:D

 

carl, I think i just said that.

 

Hi Inter, did you try, the black and white method. -----It costs this to live on your own. And these jobs with your skills only pay this amount. We will only contribute if you continue your education. PERIOD.
I know being a parent is tough, but the real world is tougher.

 

Well as I'm now 17 and left school at 16 i would have to say that leaving was the best I have ever done all I remember of my schools years was exactly what Lyn said

"All I remember from school was being afraid, bullied by the other children and teachers and worrying about everything."

that basically sums up my whole school life from the age of 5 to 16 I basically failed maths and english and got poor grades in science my highest grade was in art and I only took that because there was nothing else:rolleyes:

Now that I am in college I'm much happier and confident doing something I enjoy the tutors are much friendlier and helpful It's much more informal (calling tutors by a first name and wearing what you want) you feel less like a child and more of an adult, your less likely to mess around as your mixed with all age groups who are likely to knock 7 bells of c*** out of you if you disrupt there learning (especially if there paying over £1,000 for the course:thumb

Many of my friends who got the grades they wanted and managed to get into 6th form have now left because they were led to believe that they would be treated as young adults when they chose to stay on into higher education but weren't and instead were treated like children ok fine 16-18 year are still children but capable of going to work and living on there own and looking after themselves they shouldn't be made to feel like kids if they choose to stay at school. This government just has know idea about what to do
IMHO

 

Kalmia, thats exactly how I felt, I hated high school, but just got it done cause I knew I had to period.
But I just loved, loved, college. Even after I am done, I have thought oh, just to take a few more courses. Behind my name I have, 7 letters. And I still want more. What higher education taught me was, how much I did not know.

 

WOW 7? blimey I hope to do as many courses as I can as well:thumb: can ask what courses you have done? as I'm still stumped about what to do after I finish my L3:p

 

I have a Bachelor of Science in Public Health Education (B.S.), then I have an administrative degree in Health Care Services---that then is a (NHA), then there is a Certified Investigator, (C.I.).
Thats, it. Stay in school honey, it goes faster that you think. You will not regret it. Think my dear ones, most women today will live until 85 years old (average). So what do you want to do for those years?---don't waste them.

 

well for men it's 79 so still plenty of time for me :P

Thanks redstar

 

I can work on both 'sides of a tape measure',that is,in an office and on the tools.
I much prefer to work on the tools in the great outdoors and meeting many wonderful people.It's painful at times but mostly great.
My kids were told to learn all they could at school,gain qualifications and that way be armed to make the choice I had.
Perhaps school kids ought to do more hard work experience to encourage better study.

Over several years I was supplied with youngsters fresh out of school as labourers,and boy did I work them...They didn't stay with me long...Because I steered three into becoming Qualified Carpenters,and two went back to school then onto College. All great lads and good mates now.

 

"What higher education taught me was, how much I did not know."

all it taught me was it was an equal waste of time to school, I only did 6 months. Long enough to sit my basis chainsaw and spraying tickets for free. left straight after.

Subsequently Ive taken other qulifications as I need them Ie more chainsaw tickets, IPAF, RSPH L2 (pestcontrol), Aluminium phosphate gassing etc.

 

Well Pro Gard, thats why there is something for everyone, and everyone for something.

 

Way i see it is theres them that are clever on paper then theres them whos clever when it comes to practical tasks give me a mathamatical problem an im stuck give me a pile of junk an tell me to make summut an it ull be done in no time :D

 

And I honor that Spud. I personally sought the degrees because the arena I was venturing into wanted them to hire me. However, in the process I was exposed to thoughts, ideals that I would not have been exposed too. Not saying, it changed me or not, but it widens your horizons, it opens the blinders so to speak for a wider understanding of things. I believe I have wonderful commons sense. And I can, given a challenge with very little to work with be creative with what I have also. That later is something some of my staff can't figure out, they need some wonderment item to do the task, so when I say but what about this or that, that you have already, its OH dah. But I guess thats what I am here for. Secretly, I judge people by, would I want to be stranded on a desert island with them, do they have survival creative skills.

 

I am against making school compulsory to the age of 17, as some students would be just sitting there wasting time and waiting for the bell to go, whilst they could be more useful to society in a different environment .
Making the best of someones abilities -which is the aim of the whole exercise, at the end of the day- not necessarily means studying for more years.

 

At age 17, I believe they don't know what is "best for their abilities".