Oscar Pistorius sentenced

I'm going to assume you have no personal experience, or indeed knowledge of "domestic" violence then Val?

 

It said on the radio that he'll be out in less than a year due to the time he's already been locked up. Even if that's not true, and he serves the full 5 years, its only 5 years. Then once he gets out, he has served his time, he doesn't have to feel bad. He's paid the price. Honoured his debt. Meanwhile the girl is still dead, and her family will still never see her again, and will still know that she died in the middle of the night, alone in the bathroom, in a place where she should have reasonably expected to feel safe, killed by someone she presumably trusted.

Doesn't seem that fair to me if I'm honest.

 

Domestic violence is a disgrace, and even one case is one too many.
I have never laid a finger on a woman, and never will.

 

I even hate the label "domestic" violence, it puts this crime in a separate category which is medieval and wrong! murder is murder and Oscar should be locked away for life

 

And I made it very clear in my initial post on this thread that my comments had nothing to do in relation to the OP case but on the remark about assumptions made regarding what people think they would do in a given scenario! I will not be drawn into the OP case per se
However, I will comment on general assumptions.

But that is my point: how I *think* I might react and how I *actually* react when adrenaline kicks in are two very different things!

 

I 'think' you may call his name, or try and sneak a peek inside, or call a neighbour to look. Not throw a grenade through the door
But thats just my take on it. As you say, I don't know how you would react.
There are people who would say ' who the ***** is in my house', and go in like a bull in a china shop. Which is your point I think. Like I keep saying ' I do understand', but every person, scenario, reaction is going to be different.
If I was in that situation, I would be very cautious. Not dive in. Like what 'I' believe most people would do (edit: meaning 'be cautious').
As for the downstairs scenario, I said 'downstairs or anywhere' I believe
(without looking back).

 

Clearly not

 

Well I have to agree on that one then, as I thought I had mentioned rational and irrational behaviour. Sleep well @"M" Don't have nightmares thinking of intruders

 

I won't

BTW did you read this thread? http://gardenerscorner.co.uk/forum/threads/not-been-around-for-a-bit.77422/

Classic case of adrenaline kicking in

 

Yep, I read it at the time. I think they are the lowest of the low.
I don't think he killed him though did he? and it wasn't a member of the family or a friend
Just gave him what he deserved. Reeva didn't deserve that!!
I would have probably done the same in Ians case. He "identified" him as a threat, and protected his wife and family. Respect.
I said that if my stepson did anything as a joke, he would have got the same until I realised it was him. What I wouldn't do, is shoot someone who is unarmed, with no warning, through a closed door!! I hope no member of this forum would !!

 

I shall say it once again (third time lucky? )
My comments do not relate to the OP case.
My comments have been made, originally, on the comment based on the remark about assumptions made regarding what people think they would do in a given scenario vs what they actually do once adrenaline kicks in!
My comments are given based on personal experience (and academic research) of how, once adrenaline kicks in, what one assumes they would do/be capable of can alter very significantly and cannot, generally, be predicted by that individual (hence shock; hence PTSD)
NG - it is of no interest to me how you treat your step-son: either literally or hypothetically (unless you break the law ) because this thread isn't about that.
In Ian's case, he fully admits that he did (in fact, and in the eyes of the law!) go just a little bit too far in terms of restraining (which also equates to, in the eyes of the law, the guy did not deserve that level of restraint!) nor does Ian condone it. So, if Ian admits that the guy was subjected to *more* than the situation warranted (obviously with hindsight and no longer within the "red mist"/adrenaline fuelled zone), I am rather surprised you claim the offender got what he "deserved"? Surely, in our democratic society, the offender deserved to be arrested, interviewed and given a fair trial? Innocent until proven guilty?

 

You don't need to repeat yourself. 'I' referenced the case as an example.
I stayed off this thread because I didn't want to get involved in the case either, but it is a good reference point, being high profile. It could be anyone in a similar situation.
So when the Police arrest people, do they say 'come here ***, be a good boy and put these cuffs on'. Do you want me to dig out some Youtube clips of arrests and post them?
I will PM you because to be honest, our discussions drain me, and probably others too . I think we need to agree on one thing. To Stop!

 

Sometimes it is the other way round and the wife/partner is the violent one!

 

No, thank God, but I can still have an opinion?

OK, last comment on this thread, I am pleased that OP got 5 years and not life, I am very pleased that Reevas's parents are contented with the verdict as somehow they have to live with what has happened. NO-ONE knows what really happened that night so it comes down to whether you believe it was an accident or whether you don't, I believe it was an accident so for me, justice has been served.