Petrol in a Diesel car - Help :(

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  1. pete

    pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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    It runs fine above 2000 revs, but if I put my foot down to any degree below that it miss fires a few times before picking up.
    I've only noticed it in the last couple of days, I filled up on Monday, at my usual Morrisons.
    Its not really running rough, just when asked at low revs.
     
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    4.5 litres in a 50/60 litre tank should not be too much of an issue. I doubt it very much, but does the engine sound noiser under hard acceleration? If so drain it.


    T'other way round. Mostly a petrol will not run on diesel fuel.

    Spot on! But the dilution is minimal. I would just add some Forté diesel fuel additive.

    Yes.

    No. The 206 still has a cat, and the EGR system on these is a pain in the ass at the best of times!

    Agreed! It can penetrate the skin and diesel in the blood is potentially a lights out situation.


    I've done a few of these engines that have had far worse with no long lasting effect. However it is your choice, and a lot of the above does depend on the condition of the pump and injectors beforehand. That said, if this finishes them off it was just around the corner anyway.
    Now if it had been a Mondeo Tdci............................
     
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      Classic symptom of a coil pack going down. Don't take that as gospel though. Variable valve timing, variable inlet tracts and numerous other things could give similar issues. Has the engine light lit up yet?
       
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        pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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        \engine light/
        \NOT SEEN ONE.
         
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        It seemed to accelerate OK, I didn't put my foot down on the way home I was trying to be gentle. I'll put some of that Forte additive in tomorrow first, then try hard acceleration.


        I won't put the two-stroke in just that Forte stuff you mentioned . My 206 does have a DPF and a very quirky ECU (same as the EGR?).


        Yes that's what I'll do thanks both of you.


        I won't be doing any work on this car, there's a good little garage round the corner from me. Thanks for the warning anyway.


        Thanks keith, I respect your opinion. I will chance it, as I said earlier this is really a cheap run-around for me. I'll cross off the Mondeo Tdci if this one bites the dust.
         
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          We seem to have two threads going on here for mine and pete's problems.

          pete, do you want to buy a cheap little diesel car, it's got a full tank of fuel and it's not that Morrisons rubbish you put in yours :)
           
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            I can't believe you get info like this on GC ! :dbgrtmb:
            Great stuff Longk and FC !
            John please be more careful where you stick you're nozzle in future .:biggrin:
             
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              Oh dear John
              Thankfully it was just one gallon in a full tank, or it would have been end of story for the engine
              (I take it you did brim it with Diesel after the mistake and before you drove the car ?)

              £175 to drain it

              Several of my engineers have done it, as in fill the tank and drive off, Engine replacement

              Some realised before they drove the car off the forecourt, RAC tow and drain £175

              Some did as you did, and after a ropey month got through it, so long as it was brimmed

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                Siphon the tank and sell the contents on eBay, and refill tank to the brim with clean diesel.

                Sorted!
                 
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                  That's what I said? ;) I thought that's why the hose diameters are wider for diesels so they won't fit in a petrol car's fuelling thingy? (Very technical there :lol: )
                   
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                    I still can't believe I did it :doh:

                    I really should have called out the recovery services but the thought of a big van with "Idiot rescue" on the side was too embarrassing.

                    Anyway I've now done 40 miles without it missing a beat.

                    If anything the mpg has improved dramatically, the trip computer shows me doing 60mpg since refueling (usually I get 50mpg). I don't think that's the petrol effect, it's me driving very carefully, not accelerating too hard and sticking into the near lane in case I have to pull off.



                    Yes, I did, reasoning I had to dilute the petrol as much as possible.



                    That's good to know, thanks Jack.

                    I called in a couple of filing stations this morning, but none sell any diesel additives except for injector cleaners (which is the last thing I need right now I reckon). I'll pop to Halfords at lunch-time to look for the Forté stuff.
                     
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                      I think you're right, the diesel nozzle diameter is bigger and on modern petrol cars the filler hole is smaller so you can't physically insert the nozzle (I could be wrong as I've never tried it that way round yet!)
                       
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                      There's still time :snork:
                       
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                        That's was my thought too, and I assumed the petrol might separate at the top of the tank. So last night I had a quick go at syphoning the top layer, I got about half a litre out. What came out appeared to be diesel - it was very oily so I reckon it all got mixed up straight away. So I gave up with that idea, plus I only had my fish tank syphon kit which really wasn't up to the job.
                         
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                        The engine would have sounded so wrong that they deserved a huge bill!!!!

                        At that ratio it will make naff all difference on a car of that age.
                        However, on varying cars from this age on it could be catastrophic. As said, the 206 is first generation in terms of the mechanical parts.

                        You can sell anything on fleabay!

                        You did and I read it wrongly!!

                        You would not believe how clever people can get when faced with getting a square peg into a round hole! Seriously, they do it!!!!

                        Those things are dangerous! I quite often play a game where I try to raise the average mpg by 5 to 10mpg in the trip from the owners house to the workshop.

                        Get the Yellow Pages out and phone round the motor factors in your area.
                         
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