Police and Crime Commissioners Vote.

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  1. clueless1

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    We've neither seen nor heard anything about it round our way, other than a letter a while back telling us where the polling station will be.

    To be honest, I did try to care, very briefly. I couldn't manage it though. The TV ads a while ago said we get to choose things like what type of crime is most important to be tackled or something like that. Well don't we pay our taxes for a police force to tackle ALL types of crime? If I phoned my boss tomorrow morning and said, "boss, you know the list of 100 jobs that are queued up for me? Well I've decided I'm only going to do 10 of them, but there's good news, I'll let you vote for some stranger to choose which 10 of the 100 jobs I will do, but you still have to pay me the same", I can just imagine the reaction.
     
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      Its the biggest load of disgraceful money wasting TOSH I've heard of for a long time. I am trying very hard not to get angry about this as its a waste of valuable energy that I could put to better use,:wallbanging:
      RANT OVER
      I'm off to make a brew of tea,
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          I'm not voting tomorrow, for the simple reason that all the candidates have been interviewed on the local radio and came across as a crop of political animals that didn't seem to agree - at all - what the job entailed.
          They suggest they are being paid £70k - £100k, have the power to hire and fire Chief Constables and all promise to give up their current misc. "extra jobs" for the 4 year duration.
          Following the interviews my opinion is that they all have their own adjendas, don't seem to relate to the general public and want to agree to support all the suggestions from the radio listeners.
          It seems we, in the North, are going to get support for:-
          Battered women
          Housing
          Unemployment
          Dog Fouling
          More Police on the beat
          More CPSO's
          Faster responses
          Reduced Crime
          Using Police Funding better
          Saving money from the Police Budget
          Make more money available for key initiatives
          ..and countless more topics that were raised.

          Not believing they can either achieve what they say they will do - or even understand what the Job entails - I find the whole exercise a total waste of OUR money.
           
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          One of the things to watch on this election is that Private Security Companies have been tendering for services given by the Police, that includes putting Security Vans on the street amongst other things and that certain Political Party members are pro privatisation.
          I agree that the great percentage of Candidates are Political, with a smattering of opportunists, and a minute proportion of actual genuinely motivated people. I don't think that this election is a good thing as I'd rather the money was spent on putting more Bobbies on the street, and this is only going to lead to less and a movement towards private security being used for purposes that it will never be able to carry out.......but it will make the Shareholders happy, and those who gain financially by agreeing to it.:coffee:
           
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            The Govt. are already suggesting there will be a 20% Turnout.
            If the actual turnout is below 15% - it's possible - is there a mandate for these Commissioners to actually function?
             
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            The idea for a Commissioner is not a new one and goes back several decades being brought over as a proposition from America. This election came from the recommendation of a "multi-party" Think Tank more than 3 years ago. There is an official mandate, I believe, on how Commissioners should behave, but you just know that politics, budgets, and "other pressures" will make sure that different regions will be facing different measures. :dunno:
             
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            I shall be voting because I fell that if you don't vote you can't complain. If the Commissioner doesn't perform as to their promise I'm quite happy to publicly say so.

            The problem is that I'm not sure who to vote for :scratch:. I have easily reduced the six candidates down to three but they re all promising, more or less, the same policies.

            One is standing as a political candidate but has been in the armed forces and, in more recent years, has been involved in policy in policing.
            The other two have never been political, with one having been a Chief Superintendent and the other having served on the county police authority.

            Whilst typing I have decided to drop the political candidate although I'm not opposed to his politics.

            I have a little time to investigate further. :blue thumb:
             
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              Still undecided whether to vote as I'm not in favour of systems being forced upon us and then being told it's our democratic right to vote for someone/thing we don't believe in.
              I've never even heard of the characters putting themselves forward for the post, nor do I give any credence to the publicity blurb being touted about the credentials of the individuals.:dunno:
              I honestly don't believe that the New Commissioner will have any real powers to stop the Government initiated cuts in the Police Force which is only going to reduce whatever protection we get from criminals in the first place.:coffee:
               
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              I agree about the publicity blurbs. They say what they think the public want to hear. I was able to find out what all our candidates answered when asked direct questions face to face. They weren't able to prevaricate when asked directly.

              I immediately ruled out any that would not state, specifically, that they were opposed to privatisation.

              Three of the questions put to them were:-
              Can you promise not to privatise our county police services?
              Will you allow companies like G4S to get involved in the running of our county police?
              Do you have any connection to companies that might be interested in police contracts?


              Only one of the candidates didn't use 'weasel words' when answering. His answers were a straight forward - 'Yes', 'No', 'No'.

              Whether he will have any real influence on these decisions is another matter. :dunno:
               
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                I've heard that "cant complain if you dont vote" statement many times and never understood it.
                The way I see it is that the only ones that cant complain are the people who actually vote for the winning candidate, saying you dont agree with them after you have put them in the job is a bit of a get out.
                 
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