POTHOLES

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  1. Jenny namaste

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    thank you landimad,
    I shall email the link to as many contacts as I can,
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    Here's another site which you might find useful. I've used it to report potholes in my area before and they have been repaired fairly soon afterwards.

    http://www.fixmystreet.com/
     
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      • pete

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        The fact that there are so many sites where you can report pot holes suggests to me the whole thing is out of control.
        Is there actually a point to these sites though, bearing in mind you can report them direct to your local council.
         
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        There is - a lot of councils make reporting potholes and road defects very 'challenging' to say the least. Only yesterday, I reported 9 different defects across 4 different council/local authority areas - London Boroughs of Richmond and Hounslow make it really easy to report problems (although Hounslow was terrible until quite recently); Spelthorne Council's website is less than useless, however problems are reasonably easy to report via Surrey County Council's website.

        TfL roads however - - well, it is easy enough once you find the relevant webpage on their site, and then keep it well hidden away!

        Sites like those above take the donkey work out of it for you - you put the problem on their site, which in turn works out the responsible authority and then sends the complaint on to them - in many cases you are also granted anonymity by using these third party sites whereas most of the local authority ones want your personal details.
         
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          I have no problem giving my personal details when I'm sure there is a something to moan about.
           
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          Excellent websites - particularly the first one as that also gives advice on claiming. :dbgrtmb:
           
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          Neither do I, but I know that there are some people who don't like the idea of giving personal details. In fairness, I have had replies already on a couple of them that I reported the other day, and both have said that they have confirmed the defects and they will be repaired within 7 days; the problem is, that the repairs are likely to be a bucket of tar thrown in the hole and then trodden in by a hob-nail boot before moving on to the next job - so the holes will almost certainly be back.

          Tell you what really beats me is the lack of logic that councils apply - only today I was discussing with a colleague about a couple of sets of works that are getting done on some of our bus routes; one set is resurfacing works in a town centre area (fair enough), but one of the roads being resurfaced was only done last year! Yet in the same borough, there is a road that has a surface that is akin to the moon, and has been like that for years - and all they do is keep lobbing buckets of tar in the holes.

          The same council has put up other signs that they intend to resurface all four junctions at a crossroads in the coming weeks - - yet, I know for certain that there are plans to completely redesign that particular crossroads and change the layout of the islands etc in a couple of months time; why on earth would they resurface it, just to dig it up?
           
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            Here's an idea. Unfortunately it will never catch on because its far too simple and cheap, so government bodies wont be interested, but here goes.

            An ever increasing proportion of us now carry a modern smart phone with us. Modern smart phones are actually pretty sophisticated kit. They are not just a computer, they have a range of sensors in them and usually a GPS receiver, and full wireless internet capability. The sensors you usually find in them usually include fairly accurate accelerometers.

            Consider this. You're driving along, with an Android (or iOS) app running on your phone. This app is using GPS to know where you are, how fast you're going, and what direction you're heading. It is using the accelerometers to detect how smooth (or otherwise) the ride is, and it is using the mobile internet to transmit data. There you are, happily cruising, when BANG!, you hit the pothole from hell. On your phone, the accelerometers go crazy, and because the jolt is way outside of a pre-calculated range, the app notes the coordinates of the impact. This 'jolt' data could be transmitted automatically to some central database, along with the coordinates where it happened, and a time stamp. Another app running on the central database could profile this data, and when it finds multiple 'hits' at the same coordinates, assumes it to be a road defect and automatically notifies the appropriate council.
             
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              Fantastic idea, but as you say it wouldn't catch on - not because its cheap and simple, but simply because it would put them in a position where they couldn't ignore the holes and claim that they didn't know about them.
               
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                When the roads get badly worn here they are top dressed with chippings, supposedly to save cash. A year later the road is back to square one, so what's the point of doing this year after year, surely it must work out more expensive.

                The only decent roads here are those that are the TT course, obviously they must be maintained to a fairly high standard, but guess who's paying year after year!
                 
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                Got a letter from the KCC yesterday.
                I basically said a very indirect way, "hard luck mate, we are off the hook".

                It droned on a bit, but the bones of it was that they had inspected the road in question on 24 Oct 2012, and the hole was not there then, also, nobody reported it before I did.

                It also contained a leaflet which had been prepared by the KCC and 7 other councils regarding challenging the decision.
                Unless I can come up with significant new evidence, they wont even consider looking at the claim again.

                So it looks like they have it all sown up between them.:mad:
                 
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                That's the trouble pete - to get them to pay out, you have to prove that they were negligent in some way (so were able to prove that they knew of the pothole and had not done anything about it within a 'reasonable' time); the reason that there are so many councils named on the leaflet is simply because it hasn't come from the council at all - it has come from their claims handlers which will be a private company who just happen to contract to all those different councils.

                Bit galling that they can afford to pay for a claims handling company to make a profit out of them, but can't afford to provide good routine maintenance of the roads to prevent the claims in the first place, isn't it?
                 
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                  After lots of beating around the bush, this is the final statement on the leaflet

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                  So how exactly can you manage to make a claim, and win? As they seem to have covered all the angles.
                   
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                  That certainly has it covered!
                   
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