Renewable energy sources - the good, the bad and the ugly

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    I respectfully disagree, sort of.

    I agree in the sense that our current trajectory is pretty bleak. But I disagree with the implication that it's a foregone conclusion. Collectively, we need to do a lot more. But I see that starting to happen, albeit currently too slowly.

    People give up trying when they think there's no hope. This is why climate doom is a bad thing. A few decades ago scientists observed a hole in the ozone layer. Lots of things changed, and now that hole is shrinking. This proves that collective action can yield results. Yes we should have our eyes open and be real, but giving in to climate doom is every bit as dangerous as not caring, as the result is the same, a lack of action.
     
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      But we need to know the honest truth not all this one say one thing then some one says the oppisit
       
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      With rare exception, industry and government don't ever wake up to something until it's laid at their feet. Then they'll get serious and make efforts to create the technology to fix a situation.
      For climate I'd err toward it being a certainty it's going to get horrendous and in the time running up to realisation, that lots of corporations will get richer and the government do the bare minimum lip service.
      In parallel I expect some tech to be developed that helps but doesn't come close to being enough to being a solution as it won't get support or adequate investment.

      There, that's a suitably vague post on my cynical view on a topic which is only vaguely understood :smile:
       
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        Some governments just don't give a sh*t and as long as economies like Russia, China, India and to a large extent, the US, continue as they do, then the rest of us can go back to pre-industrial levels with no change in that trajectory.
         
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          Whilst bankrupting ourselves and putting our citizens into poverty and poor living conditions, the likes we haven't seen for decades.

          It doesn't need to be this way, nor should it be. We need a good mix of power generation, including wind, solar, nuclear, hydro and even hydrogen and we need it in excess. Currently, we aren't even in 'just enough' territory thanks to bad decisions over the past 30 or so years and that needs fixing, fast.

          We will need fossil fuels for a while yet - our current strategy has been akin to jumping out of an aircraft and then asking who is going to design the parachute. We will need gas, wood, diesel, petrol, kerosene.. even coal to some degree to enable us to afford to build the cleaner energy sources we need. Whilst we are doing so, we need to educate our citizens about looking after the world in other ways, starting with littering and waste disposal.
           
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            Can I add to that loss of wild spaces and animal habitat.
            To me that is just as important, if not more so than climate change, once its gone its gone.
             
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              Including woodland - we've hacked down so much woodland and not replanted. Even evergreens/fir are better than bald landscape, and also do an incredible amount to help with flooding. The current "climate crisis" is more to do with the simple things we've done and continue to do wrong, rather than using our cars to get to work. Those who preach it don't even believe it.
               
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                I dont think any of this is about saving the Earth.
                Its about saving the massive over population.
                 
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                      We are - we are burning coal, wood and gas from other countries and then pretending that the emissions from it belong to those counties (including transportation) rather than using resources from this country as that would make the emissions ours....
                       
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                        Did anyone see Guy Martin's Great British Power Trip on Channel 4 last night?
                         
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                        No - I have seen the adverts for it, but to be honest it smelled very 'government propaganda' to me... I could be wrong, but I don't trust that lot to tell me if grass is green or blue.
                         
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                          I started watching it but I ended up falling asleep. I watched right up to the part of capturing carbon from the Drax power station, which produces 8 million tons of carbon annually. I can't see the plant being ready for 2027, us tax payers will end up funding the plant and Drax for many years to come.

                          I will be passing Drax this Friday on the way to Lincoln, which I will also pass Ferrybridge 1 & 2. There is a couple of sites that you can see from the motorway where huge piles of scrap wood get shredded down to biomass ready for the incinerators. Going by that programme, I would say the carbon capture plant will also be linked to the Ferrybridge incinerators.
                           
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                            As long as they only need the power produced during late spring, summer and early autumn. Trust me, I'm studying the whole subject of photovoltaïque very closely at the mo, and it's only viable for part of the year. Unfortunately, it's not the part of the year when consumer demand is highest. Still, battery storage is making great strides, even if it's probably not going to do 'the planet' much good.
                             
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