Renewable energy sources - the good, the bad and the ugly

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      Wind power is relatively cheap.. when it is blowing - and of course, that is at current pricing; I believe the latest batch have been given contracts that have even higher unit price guarantees?

      We are clearly not making the most of excess generation (although, I would question exactly how much excess there really is, given my own experience at work and of course the recent news about British Steel)
       
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        They showed some power control station, that ran the grid, on the TV the other morning, all the cables coming in from Europe were importing electricity at that time.
        Great British Energy will sort it all out and we will be self sufficient. :biggrin:
         
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        This is the issue. How cheap it could be is not necessarily how cheap it will be. Govs in general have a very poor record when it comes to securing deals for the general public.
         
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          This is my biggest bugbear with this "net zero" scam - and that is exactly what it is, a scam. We are already poorer (and it will get worse) whilst simultaneously killing jobs here and importing the fuels we use instead. Only a lunatic would think it is better to bring wood chips into the country in vast container ships to then burn them for electricity than to use homegrown wood, or better still.. nuclear. Gas is the same - don't use our gas fields, but instead import it liquified from the US - so not only have you got the emissions from burning the stuff, but also from transporting it here in the first place!
           
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            Add to that that we are not able to make steel anymore, we are fast becoming dependant on other countries more and more.
            And even what we do make or produce is becoming owned by foreign countries, its called investment in the UK, but basically boils down to being dependant on other countries and at their mercy in times of trouble, often with massive handouts to those companies to protect jobs.
             
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              Indeed - British Steel have found, now they've shut their blast furnaces down and made folks redundant, that there is no suitable grid capacity to replace their furnaces with electric arc until at least 2032... and that date assumes that the special type of transformer that they require can be made by then, as the transformer manufacturers are booked solid. Begs the question what will happen with the Tata site in Port Talbot. There is tons of dirty or dodgy deals going on right now and worse still, all in plain sight - but some folks choose not to see it... take the P&O thing that was in the news this past week as an example - riddle me this, if they had to make British workers instantly redundant in 2022 and replace them with crew from abroad to "stave off bankruptcy" then how, only two years later, do they have £1bn to invest to build port infrastructure in the UK? What sofa had that £1bn down the back of it? Clearly they weren't anywhere near bankruptcy.
               
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                Apparently if they ever do get an arc furnace up and running it will only be able to process scrap steel and not actually make new steel.
                I'm prepared to be corrected on that, but if that is the case we might as well just save the handouts and buy from abroad.

                As to the P&O embarrassment, its just another case of the government finding its a bit different when you are in charge and not just shouting from the sidelines, what P&O did was wrong, but closing loopholes with international companies are not easy.

                These companies are a law unto themselves, I dont see how you overcome them.
                 
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                  With tough employment law. Amazon workers in Germany have much better conditions than those here because laws there make exploitation harder.
                   
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                    I believe you are right - recycled steel only, so any virgin steel will have to come from the likes of India or China.
                     
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                      Great. All military hardware will be constructed with steel from BRICS nations, I can't imagine anything going wrong there:whistle:
                       
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                        100% correct, all new virgin steel would have to be imported and when the UK introduces CABM in 2027,making new imported steel more expensive.

                        The UK CBAM will place a carbon price on some of the most emissions intensive industrial goods imported to the UK from aluminium, cement, ceramics, fertiliser, glass, hydrogen, iron and steel sectors.

                        The government talks about getting people back into work, the problem is the government wants the general public to work in sectors that they need. They have destroyed our industrial sector without replacing those lost well paid jobs. Many people studied and gained training in many of these sectors, now to be made unemployed.

                        I have been so angry with this proposed peat ban that in July I decided to call it a day. I no longer make compost for trade customers and will just carry on making and selling compost for the general public to come and collect as I wind down the business. I only have two members staff left who are working their notice period with everyone else already been made redundant. To ban me and other other compost manufactures based in England from using peat, yet allowing imports to come into the country is not reducing our carbon footprint.
                         
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                          It's bewildering. How the proposal got anywhere near endorsement or approval is indescribable.
                          Really sorry to hear the business is winding down @gks
                           
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                            Sorry it's come to this @gks I expect other similar businesses will be following suit.
                             
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                              Sorry to read this @gks and sadly, I suspect you won't be the last to do so. Successive governments simply haven't got a clue about the damage they are doing here, and all on the basis of a scam.
                               
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