Rootgrow Mycorrhizal Fungi - a question

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  1. infradig

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    Yes, just avoid breathing in the dust.
     
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    Monty doesn’t appear to use it any more so I don’t ;)
     
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      Bone meal has always been a good additive at planting IMO. But not with anything ericaceous.
       
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        Absolutely yes. One of the best things you can put in, without doubt.
         
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          Just a follow up on the point @infradig alluded to -

          A comment from a recent article by a magazine gardening expert on planting bare rooted Roses.

          " If using MRF do not use any fertilisers like Bonemeal when planting as the Phosphate in it can suppress the fungus "
           
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          If one knows/believes that soil is deficient in P, then the addition of bonemeal, being barely soluable, would be a good source of additional P over a long period, as it decomposes slowly in the soil.
          If one knows/believes that soil is deficient* in mycorrhizal fungi, then the addition of Rootgrow, or similar may initiate a population if conditions are suitable to them, and they are absent (why?)
          Best that one does not inhibit the other, better is to ensure high levels of organic matter and suitable ph value for that plant ,but if the soil is known to be deficient,(perhaps because you are replacing a heavy feeder) then addition of your prescription at time of planting (or shortly before) will give optimum results.
          *how many of you have access to suitable means of detection/indentification of beneficial soil organisms?
           
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            I use mychorizal fungi in the greenhouse borders for tomatoes, cucumbers, peppers etc. It's more of an artificial setting and the fungi definitely helps. Tomato roots are massive compared to non treated plants, plus the extra vigour means I can grow them each year in the same soil without suffering the usual sickness. Use in grobags and containers definitely works. Outside in borders is a different situation.
             
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              To further this topic, may I ask:
              What medium do you grow them in?, both as seedlings and subsequently? Any own compost/soil/etc
              What, if any, 'feed' do you incorporate?
              Do you add to water, any further nutrient/'aid' ?
              How did you grow the 'control' plants?
               
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                I sow in a proprietary seed compost, last year was coir based. Then prick out to a John Innes based compost. Then final planting into soil borders. Around each planting hole I dig in wilted comfrey, no other fertilizer. At the bottom of the planting hole goes the mycorrhizal fungi so it's in contact with the roots. Once the fruit are forming I start feeding with Comfrey tea or if I haven't made any I use a high potash inorganic feed, such as Tomorite, once a week.

                Control plants were treated exactly the same but missing out the mycorrhizal fungi.
                 
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                  Thank you.
                  John Innes may already contain MF, depending upon ingredient as 'loam' and the time/conditions of storage. Border soil may also have a population, certainly from last year, do you have overwintering crops in the borders? Perhaps it would be good to dip seedling roots at time of transplanting in 'Rootgrow' suspension, for early infection by MF? More experiments I feel...
                   
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                    Will probably try a similar tomato growing test next year like @JWK has done and see if the MRF gives us better results.

                    Don't have any Comfrey plants, is Bocking 14 the one to go for ? sounds interesting that you use it as a leaf in the planting hole as well as making the tea

                    Would be interesting to know if the commercial growers like @gks use MRF ?
                     
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                      With regard to the original question of which is the more cost effective (with or without gel) it would depend on whether the weight shown for the 'with' one takes into account the weight of the gel. I think it almost certainly would. Therefore it depends entirely on the proportion of gel in the pack.

                      We don't use any of the above mentioned growing aids or chemicals on the garden and just stick to using home made garden compost and local horse manure. We're fortunate that we can easily make plenty of compost as we have a lot of lawn and about 70 trees. For tomatoes, we only grow them in the greenhouse, we use peat MPC and feed with Tomorite and always get a good crop.
                       
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                        Yes because it is sterile so doesn't self seed everywhere like other varieties do. Comfrey is a pretty big plant so not sure it would do well on a balcony.
                         
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                        • pete

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                          I have a comfrey plant and it does absolutely nothing, just a few sad leaves each year that wither away as summer progresses.
                          Obviously I dont feed it enough.:biggrin:
                           
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                            I get at least 3 cuts from my comfrey patch, cut to the ground they spring up again in no time. Perhaps you need to refresh your plant pete
                             
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