same sex marriage?

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  1. clueless1

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    What do you mean, 'often'?
     
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      I used to think that too, but now I'm not so sure. The sexual inclination of the child's parents should have no bearing at all on the child's upbringing, as whichever way someone leans, they shouldn't be doing any of that in front of the kids anyway.

      But I don't believe that's what you meant. I've only known a few gay men, but the ones I've known actually take more care of themselves than most straight men I know. That can't be a bad influence. I do know a grand total of one lesbian couple (1 is hardly a representative sample), and both partners are hard drinking chain smoking party animals, which would not be good for a child, but regardless of sexual orientation, I think most people change very rapidly and drastically once a child comes into the picture anyway. If you were to compare me now, the responsible, slightly boring 'bread winner' to before I became a dad, you'd see a classic example of that change.

      Then there's the concern about not having a mother or father around to give a woman's/man's influence, and the impact that has on a child. The same could be said of single parents, most of whom do a most excellent job.

      There is still a stereotype lingering from the 1980s when homosexuality was strongly associated gratuitous promiscuity and AIDS. I don't think there's an ounce of validity in that stereotype these days, if there ever was.

      I think the biggest problem for kids coming into the picture will not come from their adoptive parents, but from other kids. Kids can be nasty little creatures, and I have no doubt that some will use it as an excuse for bullying, which is of course totally unfair, and I can't see that changing for at least another couple of generations.
       
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        I have no problem with it at all.. As has been said before by others in this thread... Each to their own choices & all that..

        I know two adults who were both brought up in two different "same sex relationships".. The girl from a female relationship is now living London & works for the V & A & is a great fun person, very well adjusted & in a loving & very happy heterosexual relationship.. She did not experience any major problems growing up in the countryside..

        The boy is a very intelligent person and is a mechanical engineer and member of the IME and now works for Lockheed Martin.. So they have both done well for themselves..

        I watched these two grow up & neither seemed to be bullied or taunted at school any more than any other child..
        Both these families were/are very open about their lives and have always talked problems through as any family would...

        There is a lad in the village who is from a same sex marriage & he is a real troubled child & in trouble with the police all the time.. He hangs around with three other village kids from heterosexual families.. These four are real trouble makers & have been for as long as they have been here..

        I know there are plenty who are troubled in all walks of life.. So I cannot see how they will suffer anymore than any other child...
        So I don't think you can say they suffer anymore than any other child.. I don't think they are likely to be any more maladjusted than any other child either...
         
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          For me the jury is still out. But I do believe in same sex marriage with adopted children that the "parents " are aware that exposure to "traditional" couples are important so the child see other life styles. And part of me does believe that same sex marriage couples who really want a child are not abusive parents etc as some "natural sick " parents out there.
           
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            Having been a hairdresser most of my life I have come across a large amount of gay people, of both sexes, and all of them (except for one) would, in my opinion, make superb parents. Some of them are now same sex couples with children and I have noticed no problems at all. If anything, they seem to be more caring, devoted parents than a lot of heterosexual couples I know.
             
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              If one's initial (heterosexual) reactions may be completely against this, if you read the points of view expressed by those in favour, it (to me) then becomes OK.
               
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                I don't see why one couple in love should be allowed all the legal and social benefits of marriage while another couple in love are denied it all. Makes no sense to me.
                 
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                  the other type of "parents" I forgot in an earlier statement, was "Drug User" parents, who create a baby. Bottom line, that child is effected in someway by the effects of the drugs and or alchol in the parents systems, father and mother both. I work in that system carring for mentally handicap people. In some of the history you will find either both or one of the parents used some form of drug strongly, and that hurt the baby. Now the baby is an adult, and the "system" our taxes pays to keep them safe.
                   
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                    Are same sex 'drug user' parents more likely to create babies? (than non-drug same sex parents as this thread is about).
                     
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                    Sex?? Isn't that what they carry coal in, in South Kensington? :biggrin:




                    Seriously though, I have no problems with it at all; whilst my mum is one in a million, my dad was the perfect demonstration that you need a licence to drive, yet they will let any bar-steward be a parent.

                    I have quite a few lesbian and gay friends, some of whom are in long term relationships and they all seem happy and content. I know of one lesbian couple who brought up two boys (their mother had tried to 'conform' to societies expectations, married and had kids, but she was deeply unhappy and then the relationship turned abusive which was the final straw) - between them they raised those boys into fine young men who have gone on to have good careers and now are starting families of their own; and the two ladies are still together and now looking forward to their retirement.

                    To be honest, I don't really care if you are young, old, black, white, green, religious, non-religious, hairy, bald, gay, lesbian or heterosexual - as long as you don't do me or mine any harm, I am not in the least bit bothered. What others do behind closed doors is entirely up to them.
                     
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                      I understand that very religious people find it an anathema to them as their version of the bible says, in some form, that marriage is between man and woman.

                      There are many things in, and not in, the bible that are considered by many to be outdated and this is why we have the current situation.

                      One thing that the bible was not opposed to was slavery. Yet we now think it an abomination. The church, and high officials of the church, owned many slaves. When slavery was abolished in 1833 it caused consternation amongst many people as well as the church. The government had to compensate, quite handsomely, people for the freeing of their slaves.

                      Amongst those was the well known and respected Bishop of Exeter, Henry Phillpotts. He owned, jointly with three others, 665 slaves. They received the equivalent of one million pounds for them! Even then, slaves weren't just made free. Most of them became 'indentured' to the owners and many worked for nothing. What they did have, ostensibly, was freedom from oppression. Whether that actually was the case is open for discussion.

                      I have nothing against the slavery of the time as that is what seemed normal and right. Ideas changed and abolition came about.

                      Similarly, things are changing with regard to homosexuality and the meaning of marriage. For religious homosexuals, they wish to confirm before their god that they are in a loving relationship and wish it to remain that way until 'death us do part'.

                      I heartily endorse the wish of anyone, be they heterosexual or homosexual, to wish to confirm their everlasting love to each other and to their god.
                       
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                        I don't have a problem with it, but i would if i were tolled that i must be the same
                         
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                          Flippin' 'eck, Shiney, I thought you were the retired CEO of some engineering company. Or an ex-solicitor. Now I find out that in addition to your store of knowledge on a huge variety of assorted stuff you could do a mean cut and blow-dry!
                           
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                            I do know what this thread is about. Was just putting in a part 2 of what my concern is with what the thread is about. Just listing the pros and cons of different parent lifestyles effects on wee one.
                             
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