same sex marriage?

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  1. Phil A

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    Buggered if I know :dunno:
     
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      How come buggery gets through the swear filter tonight?
      What is it with blokes and lesbians?Please don't explain.

      I would be quite happy watching two fit blokes getting friendly on the dance floor, but for some reason that's Not Allowed.
       
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        Well, I can speak for anyone else, but I didn't find it a turn on or anything like that, I just found it incredibly entertaining. I guess partly for the novelty, and partly because of their apparent bravery because they must have realised they were drawing attention to themselves, and partly out of curiosity to see how far they'd get before realising what they were doing. It got as far as items of clothing being hastily removed.
         
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        Been there, done that, seen the movie, got the t-shirt.
        I have kept out of this previously been following with interest.
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          @pamsdish - those cupcakes are stunning! If that much attention was paid to such a small detail the the rest of the day must have been spectacular.
           
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            It's not on the list :)
             
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            Well said :goodpost:

            Why do most heterosexuals think that male gay partnerships must include anal intercourse (I find the other word crude but not offensive - although the intent of the use of the word is offensive)?

            Not being gay I have no first hand knowledge, but I have it on good authority (having known many gay men) that it is in the minority in gay partnerships.

            I, also, don't know of the prevalence in heterosexual partnerships. For all we know it may be less common in gay partnerships than in heterosexual ones!!

            Making unfounded assumptions of peoples' proclivities is a fault within society. I prefer to give the benefit of the doubt until I have evidence to negate it.
             
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            Paul, although I agree with what, I think, you are trying to get across I think some of your arguments are not quite correct. :smile:


            This can't happen as the protagonists are letting sentiment, upbringing and emotion rule their argument.


            I don't think the government give a monkeys about what status people have when they create children. The status of the children is the important thing and that doesn't really rely on the status of the parents. It depends on how the government treat the situation from the financial point of view, and that is easily modified.


            Although I said I don't think the government could give a monkeys, they do care about how the electorate see perceive things. What? Moi, cynical! Never!!! :heehee:
            It's a matter of how the individual perceives the meaning of the word 'marriage' and that is the reason why there is a call for same sex marriages. It is perceived as a binding declaration of love - whilst a civil wedding is not seen that way. Of course, whether marriage is really such a declaration is an argument for another time.


            Not sure about the validity of that argument. Whether you agree or not with the first sentence (I'm not sure that I do), it is not relevant to the second sentence. It seems to be bringing into play the old question of 'how many word are there for snow'!
            It's very subjective whether they are distinctly different entities.
             
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            What if a very elderly widow meets and develops affection for an equally elderly widower, so under know illusion that they each only have a short time left on this earth, they marry for companionship. Biology wont come into it as neither is capable any more the old 'hows your father', they just want to finish their time here with a bit of happiness that comes from being with somebody you like.

            So, taking sex out of the equation entirely, are this elderly couple still married in the strictest sense of the word? Most would say they are. The couple consists of a man and a woman. That's enough to satisfy most that their marriage is a proper marriage. But, what if it was two elderly men or two elderly women? Then its a same sex marriage which some people wont recognise or respect. But what is different?
             
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            There is no difference, but I don't think people are bothered one way or the other with elderly couples. The 2 old women or 2 old men are unlikely to want to get married in church & certainly won't be adopting children so it really doesn't matter.

            I think it's highly likely that they do, they have no other way of 'formally' consummating the marriage. Personally I couldn't care less what their sex lives include, I just don't think these marriages should take place in church because then everyone would be happy, the gay people would be married and the religious folk could still keep their beliefs. :)

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              I am a little surprised that Fat Paul joined GC just to post on this thread. :scratch:
               
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                Why? It has stirred up a lot of debate in society and some have very strong views about it.
                Disappointing maybe, but hey ho!
                 
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                  I agree, but I am firmly in the 'couldn't give a monkeys' camp. What two (or more) consenting adults do behind closed doors is entirely their business (as long as it is legal of course); I have no knowledge of the intricacies of a gay partnership, nor do I wish to have; but then, I do not have any knowledge of the intricacies of the heterosexual relationships of friends and family members - why should I, and again, I have no desire to.
                   
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                    Most probably a long standing member who has an opinion, but does not want it associated with them due to its controversy
                    Especially so if you are of the opinion against, when everyone else declares it is perfectly normal

                    A civil partnership gave them every legal/financial right that they had previously asked for
                    Now they want Marriage That is just to wave it in other peoples faces
                    Next it will be the ECHR demanding the church do marriages for them and compensation for all their suffering in a civil partnership, with the Lesbians wanting VAT FREE turkey basters

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                      I find this whole thread bizarre now .... :hate-shocked:
                       
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