Separate Moan Thread About The Election

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussion' started by shiney, Jun 22, 2024.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Fat Controller

    Fat Controller 'Cuddly' Scottish Admin! Staff Member

    Joined:
    May 5, 2012
    Messages:
    28,010
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Public Transport
    Location:
    At me 'puter, GCHQ Ashford Office, Middlesex
    Ratings:
    +52,716
    So citizens of 75 and over aren't worthy of any say in how the country they live in is governed? Sounds very dictatorial to me. Does that also mean that we bin any MP that is or will reach the retirement age of 67 during the course of an electoral term? Same for local councillors, mayors etc too, of course. One would also assume that as their right to vote had been removed, they would no longer be liable for any tax, even if they were loaded and had lots of property?

    As for lowering the age of voting, surely if children are deemed fit to vote, they should also be deemed fit to drive, drink alcohol, have the full minimum wage, have full adult responsibility should they commit a crime, serve on the front line in a military sense and so on?

    Of course, all of that would need to be voted on for it to become the process - and of course the over 75's wouldn't be precluded from that vote...
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • DiggersJo

      DiggersJo Head Gardener

      Joined:
      Mar 14, 2024
      Messages:
      1,014
      Location:
      West Yorkshire....
      Ratings:
      +1,581
      They vote based on trivia e.g. "I don't like that woman"!
       
      • Like Like x 1
      • Fat Controller

        Fat Controller 'Cuddly' Scottish Admin! Staff Member

        Joined:
        May 5, 2012
        Messages:
        28,010
        Gender:
        Male
        Occupation:
        Public Transport
        Location:
        At me 'puter, GCHQ Ashford Office, Middlesex
        Ratings:
        +52,716
        But surely that is their right, if that is the way they feel?
         
      • DiggersJo

        DiggersJo Head Gardener

        Joined:
        Mar 14, 2024
        Messages:
        1,014
        Location:
        West Yorkshire....
        Ratings:
        +1,581
        Are you suggesting you want to discuss "rights" now?
         
      • Fat Controller

        Fat Controller 'Cuddly' Scottish Admin! Staff Member

        Joined:
        May 5, 2012
        Messages:
        28,010
        Gender:
        Male
        Occupation:
        Public Transport
        Location:
        At me 'puter, GCHQ Ashford Office, Middlesex
        Ratings:
        +52,716
        I'm not suggesting anything - as I recall, you were the one that was suggesting we shouldn't be allowing some people to vote because they vote for the "wrong" reasons?
         
        • Like Like x 1
        • DiggersJo

          DiggersJo Head Gardener

          Joined:
          Mar 14, 2024
          Messages:
          1,014
          Location:
          West Yorkshire....
          Ratings:
          +1,581
          Perhaps your recall is not too good or you have read incorrectly or even on the wrong post?
           
        • Fat Controller

          Fat Controller 'Cuddly' Scottish Admin! Staff Member

          Joined:
          May 5, 2012
          Messages:
          28,010
          Gender:
          Male
          Occupation:
          Public Transport
          Location:
          At me 'puter, GCHQ Ashford Office, Middlesex
          Ratings:
          +52,716
          That is entirely possible, of course. So when you said that people don't vote sensibly now, what was your solution for that? Were you not inferring that they shouldn't be allowed to vote?
           
        • Dovefromabove

          Dovefromabove Head Gardener

          Joined:
          Mar 13, 2024
          Messages:
          1,030
          Gender:
          Female
          Location:
          Central Norfolk
          Ratings:
          +2,584
          You didn’t … and I didn’t say you did. But you did say that it isn’t hard to register … all I did was point out that it’s harder for some people than others … so why not make it simpler for everyone if that’s possible … and it seems that it is :)
           
          • Like Like x 2
          • Agree Agree x 2
          • DiggersJo

            DiggersJo Head Gardener

            Joined:
            Mar 14, 2024
            Messages:
            1,014
            Location:
            West Yorkshire....
            Ratings:
            +1,581
            No, you seem to be one of those wanting to stop people voting... And yes I realise it's hard to keep up for some of us oldies, we just have to keep taking our pills.
             
          • Fat Controller

            Fat Controller 'Cuddly' Scottish Admin! Staff Member

            Joined:
            May 5, 2012
            Messages:
            28,010
            Gender:
            Male
            Occupation:
            Public Transport
            Location:
            At me 'puter, GCHQ Ashford Office, Middlesex
            Ratings:
            +52,716
            I don't know where you've got that from - I was merely discussing the lowering of the voting age to 16 and indeed the suggestion that over 75's shouldn't be allowed to vote. I personally disagree with both notions, but that is the joy of a democracy, we are all able to have our opinion.

            As for pills, if I have to take any more, there is a risk that I may shoot someone if I fart.
             
            • Funny Funny x 3
            • gks

              gks Total Gardener

              Joined:
              Feb 28, 2021
              Messages:
              1,751
              Gender:
              Male
              Occupation:
              Production Manager
              Location:
              Cumbria
              Ratings:
              +5,035
              • Agree Agree x 2
              • Informative Informative x 1
              • pete

                pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

                Joined:
                Jan 9, 2005
                Messages:
                51,601
                Gender:
                Male
                Occupation:
                Retired
                Location:
                Mid Kent
                Ratings:
                +95,582
                As with all elections its mostly about how gullible people are.

                I just think that a 16 yr old is likely to be more gullible than say a 40 yr old.
                 
                • Agree Agree x 2
                • Funny Funny x 2
                • Like Like x 1
                • Banana Man

                  Banana Man You're Growing On Me ...

                  Joined:
                  May 14, 2006
                  Messages:
                  10,347
                  Gender:
                  Male
                  Occupation:
                  SuperHero...
                  Ratings:
                  +411
                  Most 16 year olds couldn't care less, trying to get a 19 year old and a 21 year old to vote is bad enough :noidea:

                  As an aside, Keir Starmer was typically embarrassing on the debate tonight, failed to answer any questions or commit to anything tangible in their negative waffle :noidea:
                   
                  • Agree Agree x 3
                  • Like Like x 1
                  • Punkdoc

                    Punkdoc Super Gardener

                    Joined:
                    Apr 19, 2020
                    Messages:
                    628
                    Gender:
                    Male
                    Ratings:
                    +1,994
                    My point was, if a 16 year old is not mature enough to vote, at some point many people lose some/all of their faculties as they age.
                    In reality I don't believe either should be the case, but i don't think it is unreasonable, and there are some pretty gullible 75 year olds.

                    Re: todays debate, Sunak was the ridiculous one, trying to defend the totally indefensible , 14 years of failure, how can anyone defend Liz Truss, or Boris and how on earth are a few hundred flights to Rwanda going to solve anything.
                     
                    • Funny Funny x 2
                    • Like Like x 1
                    • Agree Agree x 1
                      Last edited: Jun 26, 2024
                    • Loofah

                      Loofah Admin Staff Member

                      Joined:
                      Feb 20, 2008
                      Messages:
                      14,182
                      Gender:
                      Male
                      Location:
                      Guildford
                      Ratings:
                      +24,851
                      Vote at 16? There's a good argument for it somewhere but I recall being full of raging hormones and conflicting ideals, thinking I knew it all but really not. I might suggest it's not a fab prospect.
                      No issues over auto enrollment for voting, although I rather feel it's just a sound bite for the election
                       
                      • Agree Agree x 2
                      Loading...
                      Thread Status:
                      Not open for further replies.

                      Share This Page

                      1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
                        By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
                        Dismiss Notice