Separate Moan Thread About The Election

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  1. shiney

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    The trouble is that I don't have any more faith in any of the other parties.

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      Who would of guessed. Did Farage actually say that students can bring their parents into the country or is that your or the the media's interpretation of what he said?
       
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      The demonisation of the working classes. That's also what caused the Brexit vote. Peoples' genuine concerns were just dismissed as racism and xenophobia.
       
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        I seem to remember that thing called a Referendum. We, the general public, had a democratic vote, nothing to do with any individual. But still let's forget all that and blame one man.
         
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          How much of the NHS is not privatised? The NHS has been being used as a political tool since the 80's (at the least), yet for a significant chunk of it we had Tony B.Liar in charge... and he then privatised chunks of it (PFI, Virgin healthcare, Sodexho etc etc) - - hell, only this week we are seeing a huge data leak in London hospitals and that is to do with blood tests that are carried out by a private contractor. So apart from the doctors and the nurses (that are not being supplied by a profit-making agency).. there ain't much about the system that isn't actually fully state run.

          The brutal truth is that there is literally nothing in this country that works as it should - be it water, drainage/sewerage, roads, schools, NHS, energy, transport, waste & recycling... nothing. Yet here we are all like utter mugs paying more for our services than we ever did.
           
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            I had both knees replaced in a private hospital paid for by the NHS.
            Had I not paid into a plan I'd still be waiting to get the first one done.
            I dont mind paying a bit extra as the NHS is just not fit for purpose, it needs modernisation and is pretty poor to be honest.
            Having said that I think the treatment is fairly reasonable when and if you can get it.
            Lying in corridors on a trolly is pretty abysmal and any privatisation that avoids that has to be an improvement.

            And I dont think its all about money.
             
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              @Panda2 are you referring to the Birmingham Clean Air Zone? This was implemented by the Labour run Birmingham City Council, not the Tory mayor as you say. Birmingham City Council has now gone bust and we are faced with cuts to services and a 20% hike in Council Tax.
               
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              The elephant in the room, of course, is the increase in population. In 2010, it was 62,760,039, whereas today it is 67,961,439 - that is 5,201,400 people more.

              Now, we definitely haven't built over 5 million houses since 2010, nor have we built the corresponding GP or Hospital capacity, nor school capacity.. nor indeed have we built corresponding reservoir or water treatment capacity.

              Riddle me this though - if we have over 5 million more citizens - if they are all working, paying tax and coupled with the fact that our tax rates are the highest they've been since WW2, then where is the money going?

              I make no apology for wanting to see immigration be controlled, for no other reason than we are full - our services have gone beyond breaking point and we have generations of people that now cannot get on the housing ladder, nor even leave their parents home. It has to stop.
               
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                Let's talk about Angela Rayner and how morally bankrupt and utterly stupid she is :heehee:

                I dislike the Tories but Jesus wept, Labour are a shower of shyte.

                There really is nothing to vote for other than protecting ourselves from the economic catastrophe that's coming with a Labour Government.

                The electoral line up is almost as embarrassing as the England line up :heehee:
                 
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                  The money is being siphoned off to the wealthy, through PFI contracts, privatised services, etc. The rate at which this is happening has increased so greatly that the system can no longer cope so nothing works.

                  Economic growth is not the answer. The solution is to stop the outward flow and use tax payer money on the things the 95% of the population who are not wealthy need.
                   
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                    The problem is, there are some who think mass migration is primary caused by climate change, fertility rates of 5-8 points is irrelevant. Nigeria had a population less than the UK in 1965, yet by 2050 it is predicted to be the third most populated country with over 400 million people. I think if the Western countries had such an explosion in population, migrants would be heading in the opposite direction.
                     
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                      Can you explain why Angela Rayner is morally bankrupt and stupid?

                      Smacks of sexism to me.

                      Yes, Farage did actually say students could bring their parents into the country, it was not made up by the interviewer, I read the transcript.
                       
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                        Oh blimey we will be getting lectures on the "great replacement theory" next. So many posts out of Fartage's book, above. When a politician is giving you a simple solution don't believe them. Life is surely more complicated than just doing simple calculations of population increase. The UK is far from full, when you check the actual distribution of population.

                        Far too many xenophobes pretend they lived previously in some socialist paradise that they were given a free home for life and somehow us foreigners came here and ruined the "dream". See it's too difficult to instead address the failings of Thatcher's neoliberal politics of selling off everything she could do, the public ended up only owning the mistakes of the rich owners of failed utilities and infrastructure. They made billions and went off to their island paradise far away. And we are left here to fight with people who think Nigel is some genius. Do spare me :smile:
                         
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                          Like it or not, simple calculations does come into it, for all of the aforementioned reasons - had we built the requisite housing (and not simply lobbing up tower blocks for rich landlords to rent out rabbit hutches and make a killing from), then perhaps we'd be in a better position there.

                          For the record, I did not mention "foreigners" - you did. I simply stated population increase and that is by whatever means.

                          Without the requisite housing being built and all of the associated services, we are full. We have nowhere left to put anyone, unless you know something I don't.
                           
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                            Vaughan Gething is more of an embarrassment for Labour to be honest - they are fortunate that Sunak is such a plonker that he effectively managed to remove that story from the news.
                             
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