Separate Moan Thread About The Election

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  1. BB3

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    I've just found this thread. I sort of wish I hadn't
     
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      Probably why your going to North Wales.:biggrin:
      To get away from the mass population, do we really need to build on all the farm land and put solar farms on good land just to accommodate an increase in population.
      Perhaps we should build on all the national parks?
       
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        The solution to reduce the population, is to stop welfare, housing and benefits
        No freebies to top of the housing list by having a child to someone who has never worked and puts some 30 year old single worker to the bottom of the list
        Why cross a dangerous channel on a flimsy boat, when there is no home or pocket money at the end of the trip
        We had internment camps 1938 for all innocent Italians who had succesfull businesses in the UK for years Stick the arrivals in there
         
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          I'm all for full and frank discussion and argument, but that is truly offensive. Perhaps we should stop the State Pension to go with stopping welfare and benefits?
           
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            Well I'm glad I got the popcorn in... small forewarning for all - if the thread degenerates into slanging matches and too much heavy opinionated political debate we're likely to switch it off.
             
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              I'm sympathetic to that thought and it is why I tried to separate this part of the moans from the original thread. Political 'discussions' are particularly fraught with problems.

              I agree that it appears to be going in that direction.

              Members can put their thoughts forward without direct attacks on each other. Hopefully it can go forward in that way.

              A reminder of one of our rules:-

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              I suggest that you read all our rules (I know people rarely bother to read rules anyway :noidea:) and particularly bear in mind rules 4-6.
               
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                Ha!
                Duped by an old troll, you should hang your head in shame...
                 
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                State pension we paid into with no option for fifty years, If it was optional we could have paid it into a private pension, Still to be paid a pension possibly more
                Rather than the Government spending it on welfare scroungers
                 
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                  Nice one JR...:stirpot:
                   
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                  Plenty of people have needed welfare who are not scroungers. If we didn’t give the OAP scroungers such good pensions, we might be able to give welfare to some needy youngsters.
                  Introducing compulsory euthanasia for the elderly would free up vital NHS resources for the young.
                   
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                    Soylent Green :nonofinger:
                     
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                      The problem with how our current government has proposed to reduce migration has left many UK migrant families in limbo and fear of deportation, hence why it is a very sensitive topic, that can escalate very quickly.

                      I was lucky in when my wife applied for a settlement visa for the UK, the application was judged by our personal finances. There was no financial income threshold requirement back then, I had to provide wage slips and bank statements as proof that I was in employment for the last 6 months. I also had to provide dimensions and photos of my property as proof it was sufficient in size to accommodate my wife and her son. The visa application was made in Bangkok and in less than 10 minutes, my wife and her son were granted visa's through the 3 year settlement route, that was on the 5th September 2001.

                      Fast forward and now your applications are not based on your own personal situations, if you don't meet these new financial income requirements, a visa application is refused. Up until April 2024, the financial income for a settlement visa for a partner was £18,600 if there was children, this increased, unless one of the parents of the child/children was a British national, then the fee was still £18,600.

                      The government wanted to increase this financial requirement to £38,700 minimum income for a British national to support a partner/family member to join them in the UK. The government did not increase it to £38,700 but it was increased to £29,000. Unfortunately some British nationals who did meet the previous £18,600 income, when they come to apply for an FLR (further leave to Remain) and your joint income is not over the new £29,000 requirement, then your wife/husband faces deportation.

                      If I was going through exactly the same process now as I did back in 2001, there would of been no point in me applying for a visa as I would of needed an income of £32,800 of which £29,000 would of been to support my wife and £3,800 to support her son. So basically the government is saying, to support a wife and 1 child in the UK you need a minimum income of £32,800, which will increase next year to £38,700 and £3800 for a child and £2400 for each other children. So making 2 applications for 2 settlement visa's at £2300 each would of been pointless as it would be refused with no refund.

                      Yet you get people who think it is acceptable for migrants to enter the UK illegally, get a job so they can fetch over their family. Yet British nationals are being kept apart from their partners is okay as they have to abide by new unfair immigration rules.
                       
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                        This election is turning into a fiasco. One party going to tax us until the pips squeak. Another party wanting to send 18 year olds into the army and take away driving licences if they refuse and no access to any financial agreements ie phones or car purchases. Then another party leader coming out with strange comments about Putin. I wish, or perhaps I do not, some election pamphlets would come through the letter box to clarify matters for me.
                         
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                          I've had only two pamphlets through the letter box and they are for the same party. One from the local candidate and the other from their party leader. Neither elucidates their policy very well although the local candidate does at least say what he is aiming at for the local community.

                          The one from their leader is addressed personally (what a load of cobblers!) and only mentions things they assume someone my age would be interested in. Obviously they have Al Gorithm working for them. :doh: It doesn't instil much confidence when they make assumptions purely on my age. They would have had a better chance of getting my vote if they had sent an abbreviated version of their manifesto.

                          "I am not a number...." (for those of you old enough to remember back 57 years)

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                            As mentioned a week or so ago, I may have to make my decision on what the local candidates want to do for the local area. At least I would have a better chance of holding them to account if they break their promise - I've managed that in the past :old:
                             
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