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  1. Hannah's Rose Garden

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    How about some reusable nappies clue even if it's just for wee or overnight. Would save u money and help recycling a bit?
     
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    Free (my favourite price) alternatives to stupid prices at Starbucks, etc.

    1) Free coffee/tea once a day at Waitrose, using a myWaitrose card.

    2) Free tea/coffee after 2:00 pm at Debenhams with a Telegraph subscribers card (you get 2 cards per subscription).

    3) Free tea/coffee PLUS CAKE at John Lewis once a month with a John Lewis card. Take out 4 subscriptions each, and it's free drinks and cake every week! (nice big portions).

    4) Free tea & biscuits at your local Blood Donor Clinic.

    5) I also have a lifetime card (before they made the charge annual) for my local garden centre, that entitles me to a free cup of tea/coffee on Wednesdays, when they also give 10% off plants, seeds, bulbs, etc. to card holders.

    6) I think Dobbies might have some free stuff arrangement, but their membership seems rather expensive, even if using Clubcard Points to purchase.
     
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      Its called over-run

      Some of it is a bit of a hang over to yesteryear, however the majority of it still applies to modern day.
      • If coasting out of gear, you are reliant almost entirely on your brakes to slow you down; continued/prolonged use of foundation or service brakes will lead to them heating from the friction, and then they can suffer from brake fade meaning they might not stop you at the very moment you need them. Older drum and pad set-ups are more likely to suffer, but not exclusively so. Coasting downhill is obviously worse.
      • Many larger vehicles are fitted with an exhaust brake or a retarder (I am happy to go into more detail about these if you wish) - these generally only work if the transmission is engaged (some electronic retarders will work when out of gear, but these tend to be fitted to vehicles with automatic gearboxes which are rarely likely to be out of gear whilst in motion)
      • In all cases, engine braking is completely eliminated; whilst it may not always seem the case, the engine has a braking effect when your foot is lifted off the accelerator; under these conditions the engine is either being supplied only with the relevant amount of fuel for it to idle, or in the case of modern vehicles no fuel at all, therefore the engine is naturally trying to get down to idle speed and slowing the vehicle in turn - this is known as over-run
      • Vehicle handling and steering response can feel completely different when the transmission isn't engaged, and particularly emphasised on cornering, and even more so for modern vehicles that have electronic stability control and electronic brake force distribution (the ECU's on these decide how much power goes to what wheel and when, and what braking force gets distributed to which wheel and when. Coasting negates the former completely.
      • It can be more difficult to select the correct gear or to re-engage the transmission whilst the vehicle is still moving

      In an older vehicle (predominantly, but not exclusively, those with carburettor fuel systems) the fuel supplied on the over-run or coasting will be exactly the same; on more modern cars, the fuel supplied when coasting is the same that would be supplied if the car was sitting idling; when on the over-run, the fuel supplied is nil (or as near as dammit)
       
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      That's the one, thanks.

      All fine points, except that [Hypermiling] I would not be coasting and slowing down [braking] at the same time (except through friction) - for that I would engage gear to supplment braking [if necessary] with engine braking (although I appreciate that Highway Code doesn't anticipate that :) ), so the issue with brake fade etc. is not actually a practical concern. If I can get on a friction-free (when in gear) slope then I'm cushty - in gear, maintaining speed, using no fuel :)

      I agree that gear selection, from neutral, could be an issue - might have to "stop and think" what gear I need for the current speed etc. and gear lever will have self-selected the middle position, which may not be aligned with the gear that I need to choose. However, in my defence My Lord, with practice you do get used to that :)

      That could certainly apply, and I have seen Hypermiling videos where they take a corner at a ridiculous speed purely to have enough speed to then coast to the next junction / whatever. Ditto they "draught" a foot or two behind lorries to get a free tow. Each to their own, but I don't feel the need to make those savings because I balance my actions with safety considerations. Before I started this I was already driving at no closer than 2 seconds interval (and long before the "Only a fool breaks the 2 second rule" advertising campaign), so it wasn't hard to increase that to 5 seconds, but if I am cornering such that I need some grip I would be in gear - and use some gentle acceleration. But take your point that cornering on two wheels, in neutral, is not going to let the stability electronics do its stuff!

      To a hypermiler the difference is that coasting has no engine-breaking, so you go further, faster, with the engine fuel usage at idle [compared to using over-run].

      Very helpful description, thanks FC, however I think its out of step with what Hypermilers do in practice. What I really want is for my engine to shut down when I select neutral, whilst in motion - same as it does when stationary the lights - but still gives me power steering and power assisted brakes :) - and probably some engine noise for the benefit of pedestrians. Electric cars do that, surely? (if you take your foot off the accelerator) so why not Petrol/Diesel cars?
       
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      I run a magnet thru my ashes too, a tin full of old nails gets about 9p at the scrappy, over a winter I probably get about 30 tins full, depending on where the firewoods coming from. Saves stabbing the Dustmen in the leg too.
       
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        I've just saved a good amount. :blue thumb:

        I got the insurance renewal notices for the house, contents and two cars.

        Cars are fully comp, protected no claims, legal expenses and courtesy car if off the road. House and contents, new for old, accidental damage, legal cover etc.

        The original quote for the lot came to £883.97. Then I spent two hours shopping around, by phone (I want all my insurances with the same company). The best, equivalent, quote came to £667.32

        I then phoned back to my original insurers (a broker I have been with for 30 years) and they came back with a revised quote of £774.92 - still £107.60 more. So I declined their new quote.

        Back to the other one, and I asked whether they give any extra discount as I have all four insurances with them. They said that they will give 5% discount on the cars as I'm insuring the house with them (they didn't offer it until I asked).

        They then quoted how much the cars will be with the 5% discount - which came to a discount of 9.72% on one car and 6.57% on the other one :scratch:. I didn't bother to point out their mistake :heehee:

        Total cost - £628.40 instead of the original quote of £883.97. A saving of £255.57 :dancy:

        Moral:- always shop around and always ask for discounts. :blue thumb:
         
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        • Scrungee

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          OK, let's have a look at the definition of skint poverty:

          The Joseph Rowntree (generally accepted) definition is

          Median earnings were £517 (before deductions) a week (£26,884 p.a.) last year. http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2013/dec/12/uk-median-weekly-pay-is-517-but-who-earns-that

          These are also gross earnings so they don't take into account tax or any other adjustments.

          So to be in 'poverty', you need to earn (before deductions) less than 60% of £517 per week/£26,884 p.a., which is:

          £310/week
          £16,130 per annum.

          Cor, we're in poverty! (any contributions gratefully received). But not in terms of imagination and resourcefulness. We manage to have a whale of a time on our limited resources and do all sorts of stuff.
           
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            Just curious, but on what basis is your presumption that I haven't already got a well paid job? I don't recall saying anything about my job, just that at this present time, and really in a very narrow window of time, the balance of cash flow is not favourable, so I am faced with two options. Either borrow to get me through the next 2 or 3 months, and then have to pay that back, or tighten my belt now and not borrow to get me through the next 2 or 3 months.

            To change jobs from a well paid one that I'm happy in to a better paid one where I might not be happy and might not be secure, would be extremely unwise if only for the sake of a couple of months of cash flow trouble.
             
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            • Scrungee

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              If taken out individually, and also getting 'recommending a friend' bonuses cashback, you could potentially have also got around £400 ashback.

              After cashback, our last car insurance policies were reduced to less than £100.
               
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              Bottoms dropped out the recycling market round here, nothing for paper or cardboard any more, and bean cans (and nails) and nails no longer worth weighing in.
               
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                I seem to be spending at least a fiver a week on coffees, now that I'm retired and participating in the coffee-based leisure lifestyle! So any way I can reduce this would be good. There's a Waitrose near me, which ordinarily I wouldn't dream of setting foot in - but if they would do a latte as good as Costa for free I would condescend to consider it.
                 
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                If you can afford that, fair enough (not meant in any derogatory way)
                 
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                Hmmm ... I hear of people that do that and then fall foul of some small print. I prefer to pay my broker and rely on him giving me a policy where the small print matches the brief I have given him for what I expect (i.e. that they pay up when I have a claim, and don't "wriggle"). Chum of mine recently told me that on checking the renewal of his shopped-around & best-price household insurance there was a new item in the small print "Does not cover falling branches / trees" - bit useless then in the extremely unlikely situation where a tree falls on the house :(

                Waitrose will sell you a tin of Starbucks Coffee instant coffee. I don't think that their Columbian Medium is much to write home about, but I rave about their Italian Extra Roast. Definitely the best instant coffee I have ever had, and pretty much identical to the "real thing". A lot more Dear than Maxwell House, but compared to actually going into Starbucks and buying a coffee its dirt cheap. Same tax evasion though ... probably ... so put your morals to one side if you buy it :)
                 
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                  I got them to email me the small print :blue thumb:

                  I'm quite happy reading small print and read it on everything I do or buy. I even read the 15 pages of small print in my holiday brochure :). OCD, or what! :heehee:
                   
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                  Not saying a word, Shiney:hate-shocked::heehee:
                   
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