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    Typical!!!;):heehee:

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      That could be just my area of course but we all know how it works.....the powers that be tell us they will be compulsory but we'll have to wait in a long queue for them to be fitted - in their own good time.

      It won't be the first time we've been lied too! :biggrin:
       
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        I had phone call from my Energy Company who wanted to book an appointment to fit a Smart Meter to my House a couple of months ago. I explained that I didn't want a Smart Meter fitted and they very politely asked why. After I'd given them my reasons they said that they would take note and make sure I wasn't approached again about the matter.:snorky:
         
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          Apparently the goal posts have been moved - from everyone has a smart meter by 2020 to everyone must be offered a smart meter by 2020. Because they know that there isn't a cats chance of meeting the 2020 timescale - got this from the Telegraph web site.
           
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            Longer than 20 years as the first ones fitted would be obsolete and need replacing long before they were all installed.
             
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              I always thought that smart meters are just to ensure your energy supplier charges you for what you use rather than estimating usage. It will also take away the need to send people out to take meter readings.

              I did read though that Security experts have warned that smart meters can be infected with a virus that can spread between different devices, and cutting some individual energy supplies off. Others have also warned that they could even be hacked and used for terrorism.

              Also, by having a smart meter, it could become difficult to move suppliers.

              If you are on a fixed tariff, how can a supplier charge you more? :scratch:
               
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                @Peter K I don't have a smart meter, (nor a smart phone or a smart anything apart from the cat from down the road who is smart enough to smell when I'm cooking and begs for some food at the back door) and haven't seen a meter reader for at least three years. I don't get estimated readings as I send them the readings every three months.

                They did try to tell me that, by law, I must allow them to read the meter at least once every two years. I agreed with them and told them the reader could make an appointment to come and read the meter. then they said they could only tell which day he can come and it will be between 8 a.m. and 4 p.m. on that day. My response was a simple "I'll allow him a one hour slot in my day". They told me it wasn't possible and I said that if I can make an exact appointment to see my optician, chiropodist, chiropractor, doctor, dentist, lawyer and hairdresser then they must be able to be inaccurate enough to be able to vary an exact time by one hour, which would allow for the vagaries of traffic.

                They responded by still giving me a one day slot and I replied by setting the hour that I would be there. :heehee: He didn't turn up during that hour and I wasn't there when he turned up! After three, failed, attempts they threatened me with saying that by law I must allow them entry to read the meter or they will take action. To which I replied saying that I have allowed them sufficient opportunity to do so and it appears that they are now making 'demands with menaces' which is likely to be viewed as against the law. We have compromised at me giving them the readings online. :thumbsup:


                They're not allowed to do that :blue thumb:

                With your
                If you read back through the posts by Canadian Lori you will see that they can change the tariff rates to fit the peak times in your area (unlikely, but it happens in Canada).

                There's also the worry that they can control your individual supply (don't know if it's true) by remotely cutting power to smart meters if there's to much of a high peak demand. I don't expect that to happen either. I don't think we're living in a Dystopian world yet! :yikes:
                 
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                  Well I wouldn't want to be attacked by my smart meter.. .

                  It's very easy to switch after having a smart meter installed. I just clicked a couple of buttons on the uswitch app
                   
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                    I found this interesting article in the Telegraph last year which gives 6 reasons which you shouldn't have a smart meter.

                    Also, smart meters won't work if you have a poor signal in your area.

                    Six reasons to say no to a smart meter
                     
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                        I think this reason is enough for me to turn them down, I wouldn't want anyone to know this let alone an unscrupulous company:

                         
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                          "Smart meters relay detailed information about times and amounts of electrical power usage. Energy usage data allows the reconstruction of a household’s activities, including when residents are home or away"

                          :ideaIPB: Easy to overcome that one, just get a load of timers or wifi/web control systems that keep turning all your electrical stuff on when you're at work, on hols, etc. :thumbsup:
                           
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                            That would cost a lot more though, maybe I could turn everything off when I am really at home to recuperate the lost money, that would confuse them :)
                             
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                              I think this is exactly why the Gov't want smart meters - they won't say this outright - because we're paying to have the meters installed - I can't see any other 'real' reason to have one.

                              The precursor to all this - one of the energy suppliers (British Gas?) - promoting a tariff with 'free' energy at the weekends.

                              I did have a good laugh at this :lunapic 130165696578242 5:- this is why you're rightly the President of the Grumpy Old Mens Club :whistle::heehee:
                               
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                                I think smart meters are fine for people who haven't a clue how much energy particular appliances consume, or whether they've something "on" that is unnecessary.

                                It's sort of "Energy conservation for dummies."
                                 
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