smelly pond water

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    The slimy green algae is not due to tap water as it has very little, if any, nutrients in it. The green algae is a real indication that you have too much nitrogen in the water which of course algae loves and thrives on.
     
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      Hi,

      When you say the water smells, is that when you are just stood nearby or more when you actually handle the water when doing maintenance ?

      Do not know what type of wood you have used or if its treated in any way ,but the wet green algae we can see on the wood can smell quiet bad.

      You could try scrubbing the worst off with a hard brush ( thats really smelly work!) and see if that reduces the smell, so proving thats causing the problem. Expect it would lessen in summer when the wood will be drier.
      No need for algicides etc.

      Re adding tap water, do you just pipe it straight into the pond ?
      Not a good idea if you have fish in there.
      As said you should keep it in a bucket/tub, for 24 hours, or use a pond dechlorinator in the bucket which acts within a minute or two.

      Fish in the pond will reduce the amount of diversity in your pond as they will eat almost anything, though you will still see frog/toads and birds around, but lots of the tadpoles etc will be eaten up.

      Frogs and Toads do appear naturally, they seem to smell the water out, but
      think with your current pond and netting you will not get any in there as its probably too high for them to get in and the water level is low in respect of the wooden top, making it hard for them to get out.

      Re your other post, a pond in the the ground will likely lessen any smell, assuming you use stones or flags around its edges rather than wood.
       
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        thankyou for your reply the pond including cascade was bought from quickcrop on the internet , the smell seems to be on the wooden part of the pond all though have tried to wash it off , we have no fish at the moment my wife has changed her mind and looking at a rockery type fish pond to attract more wildlife to the garden , thanks
         
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          I think that is a good idea @Gizmo I think a more natural pond in the garden with rocks is a much easier to maintain pond type.
          For me timber that remains wet all time is not good.
           
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            thanks for your reply a rockery type fish pond size hopefull of size of 5 foot x 7 foot 2 to 3 foot deep but i was thinking of what type of filtration would be need for a low maintenance pond as i have seen on youtube very large filtration units which would be a concern as we have limited space
             
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              I would recommend a 3' deep pond as the deeper the better to stop the water from warming up too much and, during the winter stop the lower levels from freezing.
              Where will your pond be situated?, in full Sun?, or partial shade? Filtration can be a contentious subject:dunno: I dug my 22' x 12' x 3'6" (deep)wildlife pond back in '93, with an integral Bog Garden running one side and length of the pond and I have never, ever, used a filtration system.
              I dug a shelf along the sides 10" down and 10" wide on which to place pots/crates of Marginal plants, those plants will act as a natural filtration system as they take out the nutrients in the water so that they can grow, that leaves very little nutrients for algae to thrive. Maybe I've been lucky, but I can honestly say that the pond water has remained crystal clear
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              So, if you can, I would resist the pressures to buy a filtration system and dig out the pond, using a liner, buy as many Marginal plants as you can and plant them in square containers with holes in the sides to let water in. I think you will find that works, but more importantly do a bit of research to give you more information on using plants to take out the unwanted nutrients in the water.
               
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                the new pond will be in place of the old one beside the shed so some shade and sun
                 

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                  I think you will find big ponds balance easier, mine is smaller than ARMANDII 's and I have a water fall.

                  I'm not well up on modern filters.
                  Mine is just a gravity fed filter box containing plastic pieces and foam layers, that bacteria can build up on and convert the fish waste to a useable nitrogen, which the plants then live on.
                  Its very Heath Robinson but it's worked for over 30years and the fish thrive.
                   
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                    thanks for your reply we are hopeing to have pond 5 foot x 7 foot x 3 foot but depends on the ground i was looking on youtube about filters they look quite big as we only have limited space
                     
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                      Argee the @ARMANDII a filtation unit only really needed for a large volume of fish , typically Koi.

                      If you want some water movement, a basic pump with a foam inlet filter will be all thats needed for the average small pond.

                      You might want to look at preformed ponds, not cheap, but pond liners can leak if you do not do the groundworks perfectly.
                      Also they come with inbuilt shelves for the plants, much easier that making your own with a liner.

                      For a pond your size , probably 45 to 60cm deep is all thats needed these day, we do not get such freezing for weeks these days that are needed to freeze that deep.
                      Don't think we have seen any pond ice thicker than 25mm in the last 20 years !

                      You might want to consider making part of the ground surrounding the pond into a bog, so you can enjoy such plants that need such moist ground.
                       
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                        Actually, that is not a bad thing as Algae need a lot of sunlight and warmth to thrive so it will be restricted in it's growth in that sort of position. My pond is in light shade in the evening and I'm sure that helps in stopping algae, but the biggest thing is the marginal plants that extract the nutrient, I also use floating oxygenating plants as shelter for some of the insects. But, I think the situation you describe will also help keep the pond in balance.

                        I do have a waterfall which I use during the Summer when the weather gets really hot and it helps oxygenate the water and, of course, the sound of a water fall is very relaxing.
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                        You might find, if you have the space, that a seat by the pond, is great for enjoying the pond and just relaxing with a glass/mug of something in your hand. This is mine and it's slowly disappearing under the Ivy and so needs an occasional trim:dunno::heehee:
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                        Also, if you can place a small pile of logs/short branches right on the edge of the pond that will attract wildlife, if you can manage it, it's important that one bank slope of the pond is shallow enough to let Frogs etc to get out of the pond, (although they will also use the pots/crates of the marginal plants to do that. You can use pebbles on the shallow slope to make it even shallower and natural. The most important thing is not to rush it and let the pond evolve naturally and, I assure you, it will give you, and your Good Lady, a sense of peace and achievement when you're sitting by the pond while also bringing a smile to your face.:heehee:
                         

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                          thanks for your reply the pump from the old pond is a hoselock easyclear 4500 but didnt seem to clear the water , i thought that a gravity fed filter box would work better in keeping water clear but not sure if a water fall feature could be attached as well , i was woundering about a preformed pond but looking at digging out new pond and covering it will sand before finer goes down , we would like to have a few gold fish as well not sure if 60cm would be deep enough , i was looking on youtube about digging out ponds and the use a tamper is that a good idea to use we are going to try and create a rockery type pond
                           
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                            60 cm, is deep enough, but a the deeper the better.
                            A sloping area if you want it for wild life and some shallower ledges to put marginal plant popts on.
                            I just used a preformed fiberglass water fall that the water from the filter empties into.

                            Not sure what the tamper is for, I used a pickaxe, spade and shovel. ;):smile:
                             
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                              We have had 2 ponds one with fish the other natural, both only 45cm deep and run for a good few years ok.

                              When you say a rockery type, do you mean on level ground surrounded by stones or on a slope as a split level /waterfall ?

                              Same with your pump, when you say it did not clear the water, what of ?
                              A pump with foam filter will not clear green water, and in the first year it can be a problem but there after with some natual products like barley straw etc it should clear.

                              You can go overboard with filters and products, just fill the pond and let it get on with it, once the plants get growing in the warmer weather it will need only a little looking after, more just tending it like any soil border.
                               
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                                I disagree, if I may, with Ricky on the use of preformed ponds being better than pond liners. In fact, in my opinion, liners are easier to install and look more natural. I've never seen a preformed pond that looked natural as the rim is usually left sticking out of the soil and stands out like a sore thumb, also you have to get the preformed pond exactly level when installing. You do have to try to get the banks of a liner pond level but, because it's thin nature the liner is easy to cover with soil and plants will soon grow on it. My pond liner has a supposed life of 30 years but will go far beyond that despite my, at least, couple of wades a year in Chest Waders to gently maintain it, it's also very relaxing wading through the water and have the Frogs etc watching you! So, I don't know any one that has had a good pond liner leak:dunno: I used old carpet, newspapers to line the bottom of the pond and then laid the liner on top.
                                 
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