Sugar Tax

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  1. Jimcub

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    Well not all food is bad for you but the quantity you consume is, everyone's different I can eat like a horse and not put any on while her in doors looks at food and wears it. ssshhhhhhh

    Fresh food is always good and I eat what I am bought as I don't shop, I use no added salt as food has salt in, I only use sugar on strawberries.

    When in hospital I lost weight as they dosed it with salt making it uneatable, I eat greens as long as the marzipan has green dye on it :roflol:
     
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    • Trunky

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      Just been reading this thread while drinking a mug of hot chocolate, so just out of curiosity, I checked the label on the tin. It's only 33% sugar, that must be why it tasted so good. :snork:

      Anyway, I've been outside all day doing hard, physical work so I'll probably survive.

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        Taxation is a blunt instrument that rarely has the intended effect - take cigarettes and alcohol as an example:

        Cigarettes - nowadays, I would suggest that the bulk of smokers are those on lower incomes (either low or no wages), so if putting the prices up and up was supposed to reduce smoking, why is it that it is those with the least cash are the ones still smoking?

        Alcohol is no different really - - the prices went up and up and pubs closed in their droves; now, people will sit at home and drink MORE than they did when the pubs were open and alcohol prices were lower. Part of the reason is that drinking at home is significantly cheaper than it is in a pub, but I believe also that people will drink more in their own home where they are comfortable, and where there is much less of a chance that they are going to embarrass themselves at the end of the night (internet behaviour excepted)

        In both cases, those who really have money, well they just carry on regardless as they couldn't care less; those without money or a job are likely to head to the black market (social conscience isn't a major attribute amongst the hardened benefits 'customers'), whilst those who are hard working and on a normal but tight budget that would normally partake only moderately are about the only group that will reduce consumption slightly.

        Yes, there can be no doubt that we would be healthier if we consumed less sugar, but in the grand scheme of things, do we not have bigger issues at the moment?

        And how far do we dictate (even if that dictation is through taxation) to people what they can and can't do - especially when the "thou shalt not" list grows ever larger.

        Oh, and before anyone pulls the "it costs our NHS money" card - can we remember a couple of points:
        - The NHS was created to deal with numerous illnesses, regardless of their root cause; nowadays, it seems to be diabetes and obesity, but forty years ago it was industrial illnesses in groups such as factory workers, farmers and miners etc.
        - Many of us pay considerably more into the NHS (and government coffers generally) than we get back in treatment costs; the problem there of course is those that do not pay in at all, or have paid in very little over the years - - - - the very ones who we already know are the most likely to carry on smoking and drinking to excess.
         
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        • Scrungee

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          The average price for a single pint of beer in a British pub is £3.46, the same amount it costs to produce 10 bottles of my homemade wine. The snacks are also cheaper and there's no transport costs.
           
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            Round here, in a pub, you're looking at about £2.50 per pint. The proper rough holes are cheaper. The trendy bars charge about £3.

            Wife and I rarely go out for beer these days, but on the rare occasions when we do, the social aspect and the change of scenery is what it's about, so cost is not quite so important.
             
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            • CanadianLori

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              I too like going to the pub to socialize. Picked up this last husband there and we still go to the pub together after 20 years..:)
               
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                A sugar tax is just another government ruse.
                It would look good if the government gets pushed, and finally give in to the health advisor's.

                Its not a tax they want to impose but they will be dragged into it, very reluctantly, I dont think.:th scifD36:

                Its a bit like global warming and all the other stupid things that impose taxes on us, all for our own good, so they say.:snork:
                As far as I'm concerned as many fat people can die of obesity as they like, as many kids can lose teeth, as they like.

                Its not my problem, so why should I pay for it?

                Am I right in thinking the stupid local authority in "rip off" Brighton has already gone down this road????
                 
              • Anthony Rogers

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                Can I just say that I think the problem here is the people themselves. Please don't say it's education that's needed it's not it's just common sense.
                 
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                  Christmas is near and I hope everyone knows that Santa's not fat, he's just big boned :heehee:

                  don't forget to leave out the milk and cookies ..:)
                   
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                    Ah yes. Good old Santa :) drinks and drives routinely, speeds, and sneaks into children's bedrooms while they sleep.

                    I wonder in what other circumstances it would be ok to tell our kids, you'd better be good and get to sleep early otherwise a drunken old man won't be able to sneak into the house.
                     
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                      I don't think Santa drinks alcohol. He seems be stoned? Eating all those cookies.:heehee:
                       
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                      Stoned and drunk. All those glasses of sherry, port and brandy. And mince pies and I guess cookies on your side of the pond because he has the munchies from being stoned. He must be stoned, because he has that funny laugh and is always flying high, and he must be drunk because no sober person would attempt to climb down the chimney. And I wonder, how does he plan on getting past the gas fire at the bottom ?
                       
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                      I'm sure with all of that holiday cheer Santa could create enough wind to blow out the fire.

                      Why, I think this year I'll wait up for him and offer him a hot toddy for the "road".:heehee: It's cold at those altitudes!
                       
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                      • KathEllison

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                        Yes, Brighton have led the way in imposing this tax. It's important because it's affecting all of us. The amount of sugar that companies put in 'healthy' drinks is ridiculous, and undisclosed to the general public. We at least need a labelling system that will show the public what they're consuming.
                         
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                          There should at least be better labelling on sugary drinks! I like Jamie Oliver's idea about showing a little teaspoon and a number to indicate how many teaspoons of sugar the drink contains.

                          And talking of alcohol, that should also have some sort of label to show what we're putting in our bodies!!
                           
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