Sugar Tax

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  1. JWK

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    I think its a good thing, I haven't been following this but assume it is aimed at fizzy drinks which are nothing more than a chemical concoction with a ton of sugar added. If people are daft enough to drink bad things then a few more pence won't put them off.

    Whats wrong with milk or free tap water?
     
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      Think I'm going to start stockpiling used drinks bottles for when this comes in, will make a fortune at 20p each.
       
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        I used to be on three aday (three teaspoons of sugar in my tea) now one teaspoon, my mother was heavy handed with the sugar when i was a baby so it was hard to get off the sugar, i still have mine teeth, but the ones that i had filling in are the worst ones all the rest are fine :scratch:
         
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          A bag of sugar lasts us about two years , we use it only occasionally . Soft fizzy drinks are rated as bad for you as cigarettes by some dieticians . Not sure that is correct but they are pretty bad. Something does need to be done about sugar intake . There are a lot of chubby 9 year olds about, whose parents think a diet of Cola and Haribos makes them happy .
           
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            I think I may still have a bag of sugar from when it was rationed! :old: :heehee: But the powdered egg has all gone. :snorky:
             
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              Although you are partially correct, increased life expectancy is more because of the lifestyle and diet, as it has been for decades, - although they now think that the balance is going wrong because of too much sugars, fats and salts. Life expectancy for the less well off is now dropping mainly because of those factors - and a lack of education in food, as well as the lack in money.
               
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                Me too, was also brought up on lots of sugary tea. Then as a Farmers boy I suddenly realised the volume of Sugar beet that goes into making a bag of sugar, adding three teaspoons of sugar to tea over the course of a day is equivalent to eating a 2kg beet but without the benefits of fibre or vitamins that are extracted from the beet and thrown away. I gave up sugared tea overnight.

                Same goes for a lot of refined foods, but it took me another 50 years to realise that biscuits, cakes and bread are all packed with unnecessary sugar too. Its obvious when you read the labels on those items but I never did and old habits die hard. I managed to wean myself off them over the last year but it does take effort to find alternatives, or bake them from scratch.
                 
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                  I certainly agree about the lack of education, perhaps more poor parental example? but not quite so much re money @shiney:). If and it's a big if you can be bothered and have a little knowledge of cooking you can eat healthily for not much money. I'd ask the question why is it that certainly in Scotland, maybe in England too that the poorest areas have the most fast food outlets?
                  I do not believe it is cheaper to eat carry outs than cook yourself. We get a Chinese (very very good 1 it is too!) about once a fortnight to give me a break from the stove. It costs about £7 for 1 main dish and rice. I could cook 1 hell of a good meal for 1/2 that per person.
                  A friend of my daughter's is a secondary school teacher and has been involved in trying to educate children into healthy eating. I asked her if she thought the message was getting through, "horse to water" was her reply:noidea:. That old expression of what humans like being either "illegal, immoral or it makes you fat" still seems totally relevant today unfortunately.
                   
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                    I agree @silu the lack of education in health, food and cookery are the major factor but that tends to occur among the poorer people because of environmental and social conditions. That's a rather big generalisation but I worked in, and with, people in that situation. We were a bit luckier in the fact that although we had the war (something I don't recommend :rolleyespink:), and the family was very poor, there were no opportunities to eat fast foods and foods high in fat and sugars. Although I do remember my father spreading suet on his bread! :hate-shocked:
                     
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                      Few people have the time (or knowledge) to whip up a home made cake these days. Besides, once you add the cost of ingredients, plus the energy consumption to produce a home made cake, it is far more economical to pop one in your shopping basket trolley along with all those tempting BOGOF offers (usually on high sugar/fat/salt items).
                      Nothing ... unless you are either lactose or dairy intolerant ;)
                      At school I was taught Home Economics and I had school dinners (the meat and two veg as quoted earlier in the thread). HE consisted, among other things, learning to cook - as in, cook from scratch!). Fast forward: #1 & #2 sons were taught "Food Technology" ( :scratch: :dunno: ). An example of one lesson, where they had to take in their own ingredients: Pizza (ooh, goodie, I thought, that'll be useful!). Ingredients list:-
                      • 1 x pizza base
                      • 1 jar of pizza sauce
                      • cheese
                      • toppings of your choice to include at least 1 vegetable
                      :roflol: :roflol: :roflol:

                      Another "project": "design a ready-meal for the chilled cabinet in a supermarket". Must contain 1 sauce, 1 protein, 1 carbohydrate and at least 2 vegetables.
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                      They tried school dinners (provided by a catering division affiliated with Rent-O-Kill :huh: ) and were given such healthy delights as: Turkey Twizzlers (with chips); burgers (with chips); sausage (with chips); lasagne (with chips!!!) and the highlight of the week - a roast dinner (no chips :nonofinger: ). I then returned them to packed lunches.


                      Times have changed, I'm not convinced for the better.
                       
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                        You meany :snorky: you will hit the profits of them beat farmers, as a famers boy you should be helping them farmers ;);)

                        Tis all recycled now top and tails = animal feed
                        the washed soil off the beat also is sold back to some famers
                         
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                          @"M" - this sounds just like the secondary school I went to, I had chicken burgers and chips pretty much every day for the five years I was at the school, followed by a double chocolate doughnut! Thankfully I swam in a swimming club several times a week so was otherwise fit and healthy. I also did the 'food technology' gcse. Sadly, I didn't improve my diet whilst at university either, living off of super noodles!

                          Now, I'm pleased to say, I have taught myself how to cook healthy meals from scratch. I'm a stay at home mum and have been very determined to teach my little ones about healthy food, and we try to grow a few things ourselves too. I never thought I'd enjoy cooking and baking, but I love both!
                           
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                            So does this mean sugar for winemaking is going up? :yikes::hate-shocked: smiley-shocked015.gif
                             
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                              We weren't taught any cookery at school as I was in a boys' school - not the thing boys did in those days :noidea:. Our school dinners were excellent. Meat and two veg and a dessert. Nothing too fatty and little sugar - the after effects of the war. No talking at the table (each table had a teacher at it) and everything had to be eaten. No one could leave the table until all had finished.

                              Food at home was well cooked and you ate what was put in front of you. You got to appreciate proper food.
                               
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                                We were given clear choices for our dinner at home: Like it or lump it!
                                Any question of: "What's for dinner?" was met with the same reply, "Bread and Pull It!"
                                One day, one of my brothers burst into tears at that, "Can't we have something else?"
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