Suggest a climbing rose

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  1. wiseowl

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    Good evening there are so many Roses that are said to be suitable for shade and they are not I have seen a "Claire Austin "Rose in full sun and its a totally different Rose :dunno:

    This is what "David Austin" Roses say about their Roses its so open to misinterpretation :whistle:
    Planting roses in shady positions is a great way of bringing colour and interest to forgotten areas of the garden. Although, in general, roses will not thrive in a position where there is too much shade, the varieties listed below will do surprisingly well with only four or five hours of good sun each day. The main consideration when planting roses in shady positions is to avoid areas where there are overhanging branches and dry places where there would be too much competition from the roots of trees and other shrubs. Most of David Austin’s repeat-flowering English Roses perform well in partial shade, as well as other repeat-flowering shrub roses, such as the Hybrid Musks, Rugosas and Ground Covers. The climbing and rambling roses listed below are all suitable for an open, north facing wall or other shady position. Again, they only require four or so hours of good sun each day yes and I came down in the last shower of rain:heehee::heehee::heehee:

    What is Good sunshine as opposed to Bad sunshine do they mean Direct sunshine and how much is partial ,I'll get my coat now:heehee::heehee::heehee:
     
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    I try to take any sales patter from retailers with a pinch of salt.
    Much better to get first hand experience so much appreciate the info provided. Maybe Claire Austin isn't in the running. I still like the appearance though
     
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      There’s ‘Crimson Shower’. Although listed as a “small rambler”, it never got out of hand when we grew it, in our small north facing garden.
       
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        I have a few climbers / ramblers and if had to pick one it would be no doubt be Ghislaine de feligonde it wonderful . flowers its socks off in june and after deadheading a constant smaller stream of flowers well into November . Also have Malvern Hills which looks like its going to be a good doer neither GdeG or Malvern are highly scented ( bit of scent) but make up for it with the shear amount of flowers produced . I grow Generous gardener beautiful flowers and scent but not the most prolific, and pauls scarlet big show in summer but that's it all future roses I plant will have to be repeat flowering unless I fancy a old variety one day.

        Flowers start off Apricot / yellow and fade to a pinky cream colour , If it had more scent with slightly larger flowers I'd say its a perfect rose . Paul scarlet in background .

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          @Loofah if you like it go for it my friend:smile:
           
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            Claire Austin today. The south is exactly behind the wall.
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              I'm still pondering from time to time. The blooms issue with Claire Austin I think has ruled it out. Compassion is still in the running.
              Has anyone tried ‘Madame Alfred Carriere’?
               
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              Roses 'Madame Alfred Carriere' needs enough sunlight and nutrients to bloom. Without sufficient light, it seldom grows flower buds. If it has buds but does not bloom normally, it is usually due to a lack of nutrients. Granular fertilizer and foliar fertilizer can be used at the same time to rectify this.


              White, near white or white blend Noisette.
              Registration name: Madame Alfred Carrière (Noisette, Schwartz, 1875)
              Bred by Joseph Schwartz (France, 1875).
              Introduced in France by Joseph Schwartz in 1879 as 'Madame Alfred Carrière'.
              Introduced in Australia by J. Scott & Son. in 1889 as 'Madame Alfred Carrière'.
              Noisette, Tea Noisette.
              Cream, light pink shading, salmon-yellow highlights. Mild to strong fragrance. up to 30 petals. Average diameter 4". Large, very double, globular bloom form. Continuous (perpetual) bloom throughout the season.
              Climbing. Large, dark green foliage.

              Height: 8' to 25' (245 to 760cm). Width: 10' (305cm).
              Very vigorous. drought resistant. shade tolerant. Disease susceptibility: susceptible to Mildew. Do not prune.

              Triploid
              Unknown
              Alfred Carrière was the chief editor of "Revue horticole".
              Susan writes: I planted 'Madame Alfred Carriere' in 2000 when it was a foot tall. The flowers were sparse and the plant had rose spot badly. I was disappointed. But the following year, it took off like crazy and has covered an arbor with beautiful, full, scented blooms aplenty. I am really amazed at how well it is doing.
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              Hmm. I'm getting mixed info on the disease resistance although it might be a moot point as I just noticed the vigour and recommendation not to prune
               
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                As I can't look forever and there appears to be a huuuuuge choice I shall shortlist Compassion and the Generous Gardener
                 
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                    There's some crackers in there Woo, many thanks for the link.

                    I've just been out and dug out the area a bit in order to loosen the soil and put in lots of old leaf mould. Manure might have been better but this is what I had. This is the wall, it's going between the corner and the chimney breast by the brown barrel -
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                    That wall faces the lane and I've just had a huge overhanging hedge cut back (to the annoyance of the neighbour) but with the bonus that they said they'll additionally cut the top off their hedge now :) So I should get a bit more light than thought.
                    There's also a tiny rose planted by the porch pillar which should grow up and over.
                     
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                    If it helps to narrow the choice, go for one with flexible stems that you can arch over and tie in to the support. There will be a support, won't there? :whistle:
                    That way, you'll get blooms all along the stem, not just a tuft at the top of vertical stems.
                    That was my only gripe with 'Compassion'. I found it much too stiff-and-thick stemmed to train easily :)
                     
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                    @Loofah

                    ;):smile:
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                      You can't see it in the pic but there's already wires in place :)
                       
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