The cost of living... what can we do?

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    'Cost of living crisis' ...all we can do is cut our cloth according...you wouldn't think there was a cost of living crisis in these parts,new cars,2+ holidays a year ,the pubs are heaving but come winter wait for them all to be bleating about prices..Get's on my ning nangs.
     
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      Last time I had a holiday away in Spain was 13 years ago.
       
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        Last time i had a holiday was 45 years ago
         
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          And your still on it.:biggrin:
           
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            I am permanently on one ... and it is no holiday!
             
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              A holiday is very subjective. Some people just enjoy going to Porchville for a holiday. So restful.
               
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                  Being a cynic (What! Me? Never! :whistle:) I'm wondering whether their claim that they produce as much heat as a gas boiler can be true, at the moment. The problem with air source heat pumps has been that they can't produce enough heat for normal radiators to work efficiently.

                  In the Octopus article they say the free pump is only to those people that don't need upgraded radiators or better insulation otherwise it will cost about £3,000. :noidea:

                  I can't imagine them offering ground source heat pump free. They can produce more heat than air source ones.

                  The government grant system has been a bit of a flop with less than 50% of the expected uptake.

                  We'll have to wait and see.
                   
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                    It says its 6kw, wouldn't want to run that for long, sounds like ordinary Electrical heating via another name.
                     
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                    As shiney says, the air source heat pumps aren't as efficient as ground-source ones for the simple reason that there are more likely to be negative air temps for longer periods than in the ground. That's when the whole idea loses it's appeal because the pump draws on the grid. The other thing you never hear mentioned in the publicity is the need for a back-up in case of power cuts.
                    The other thing that I've often wondered is how it would work having an estate chock-full of houses, all with heat pumps drawing in 'warm' air and pushing out cold air. Given the housing density in (most of) UK, would it work?
                     
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                      I know my science is pretty poor but surely its common sense that just when you want the thing to be really effective, ie in cold weather, its least efficient.

                      Personally if they cant come up with something any better and more efficient then I can see these things stacked up on the outside of buildings in racks, Ok if you have lots of space, I dont think any of these new ideas work for a good part of the population living in terraced houses built over a hundred years ago.

                      I do wonder what would happen to our winter climate with all this cold air being blown out.
                      Maybe that's how they are going to stop global warming.:roflol:
                       
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                        All of our heating does not even need electric to run :) we went that way because we were having power cuts all the time
                         
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                          Why are we always compared with countries that are not over populated and living in houses that were built before the first world war in high density.

                          Any comparison with the first 5 is a bit unrealistic in my view, and as you say, the last two are warmer than us, probably only parts of France are comparable and Italy.

                          Maybe they are installing them faster because its cheaper in those countries?, every thing they are coming up with regarding "climate change" is more expensive, come up with something the same price or cheaper and you just might get people interested.
                           
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                            How different we all are, I would not be without our multi fuel burner, with no gas in our village due to the terrain and it not cost effective to run the mains to a small village, relying on electric is not an option, power cuts are not unusual. We warmed soup, made toast, boiled water for a cuppie all on ours, you can do jacket potatoes in it too, vital with no power for several days as happened winter before last.
                             
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                              Gas boilers don't work during a power cut but most of the 37 power cuts we had last year were only micro ones. :fingers crossed:
                               
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