The cost of living... what can we do?

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  1. JWK

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    Interesting to see what others heat their houses to.

    We use a room by room control app. We heat our open-plan living/kitchen area to 21ºc (69.8ºf) during the day. It goes off at night and drops to about 19ºc (66.2ºf) by the morning. The UFH takes a couple of hours to heat up so it comes on before we wake up.

    We heat our bedroom slightly warmer 22ºc (71.6ºf) just in time for waking up, showering etc, then it's off all day. At bed time it goes to 23ºc (73.4ºf) for less than an hour. All night it's off.

    Our hall/landing and study have a little heat to keep them at 17ºc (62.6ºf) minimum - otherwise we get condensation/mould issues. If I work in the study I turn the radiator up - just for the time I'm in there. Unused bedrooms don't get heated and have been dropping to 15ºc (59.0ºf).

    Our daughter lives with us and feels the cold less than Mrs JWK and myself, she rarely puts the radiator on in her bedroom and she thinks the downstairs open-plan area is too hot, she wears shorts and t-shirt compared to our three layers indoors! Mrs JWK feels the cold more than me since her radio-therapy, it used to be the other way round. I've been less active recently but when I do get out into the garden I sometimes feel too warm indoors for the rest of the day.

    In the summer we spent just over £1/day for gas (for hot water and cooking). Now the heating is on it's creeping up to £7/day and expect much higher soon.
     
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      I think part of our problem is we cannot close the internal doors or the cats freak out. They have to be able to go from room to room as it suits them.
       
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        I used to love the cold and the Mrs hated it - and still does - but it affects me a lot more than it used to :old:. We always said that when we retire the only things we shall spend our money on would be heating and holidays - we eat well but I cook everything from scratch and it's not expensive.

        We haven't had a holiday since Covid (used to have expensive holidays) so although we are being more careful with our power consumption we are still keeping our place warm. We live in a bungalow and almost all the rooms are in use throughout the day and night (I'm up all night so using the lounge, office, kitchen and bathroom :noidea:).

        We don't close doors, although we don't have cats :heehee:, so the place is more or less the same temperature throughout. With the rads cutting in and out the temperature varies between 70F-73F with the very occasional higher temperature in the lounge because of larger rads and that is about two degrees lower than we always used to keep it. We never turn the boiler off and let the thermostats control things. The main thermostat is in the hall (recommended place in a bungalow) and all rads have thermostatic valves except the one in the hall.

        We don't have a smart meter so I don't know how the daily costs go. As we have no intention of changing how we do things, unless forced to by financial circumstances, I shall just carry on paying the monthly bill and try to ignore how high it is.

        We're fortunate in the fact that I arranged a 24 month fixed tariff in April before the prices started to soar. The price was quite a bit higher than the existing tariff at the time but I foresaw the current problem to a certain extent - although I didn't think things would get this bad. :sad:
         
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          We've got a ground-source gas/water heat pump and underfloor heating throughout. As the house was built from scratch, it's very well insulated, dry and double-glazed. Thick, lined winter curtains and shutters keep it really cosy at night! The heating pipes are arranged to give less heat in the bedrooms and entrances...min 18°C...more in the bathrooms and living areas. The thermostat used to be set at 22°C but that was for my mother's benefit. She's no longer with us and we're more mobile, so we've dropped the temp to 20.5°C. There are electric towel rails in the bathrooms, but never need to use them.
          Whilst the system isn't quite as economical as promised, due to soaring electricity prices, it's pretty good for a big, open-plan house and is a very comfortable heat with no need to chop, store and lug wood about. We have a couple of gas heaters as emergency back-up in case of power cuts.
          The only less-than-pleasant experience was in 2010 when we had 10 days of -12C/-17C temps and 30cm of snow. The temp in the house dropped slowly but steadily to a minimum of 16°C. Not life-threatening but hopefully not to be repeated. Couldn't stand the reproachful looks from the cats, for a start :roflol:
           
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            From what I understand, ground source heat pumps can give a higher temperature than air source but not as good as a gas boiler. Apparently, air source is not suitable for older, less well insulated properties and doesn't work too well if not using underfloor systems. I know of two houses around here that have had to have their brand new air source systems removed and replaced by a gas boiler. :rolleyespink:
             
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              I like it around 21c for sitting around but my bedroom has been around 16c for the last week or so.
              My heating system needs upgrading, only got the one thermostat and it's not very accurate, it's in the hallway and i don't heat that anymore, so it just gets used as an on off switch really.
              I've got thermo valves on some of the rads but can't say I find them particularly effective and again are really just on/off switches for each rad.
              I'm only heating 3 rooms downstairs and 1 bedroom and bathroom.
               
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                how about indoor cat flaps in every room? They will get used to them I think....

                When our cat Holly was alive, she had a cat flap into the airing cupboard and her bean bag was next to the immersion tank. As she got older (19 + years ) she would go up and zzzz in there quite often.
                 
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                  Bedroom at 18c / 19c at night....no heat during the day. I've just ordered a new 10.5 tog duvet to replace the 9 tog one. Filling is synthetic made of plastic bottles and Modal - which is a cellulose derived from wood. A miracle in itself!
                  Downstairs ,hall rad and both dining room and lounge end rads set at 22c if warm - like today . Or 23c if colder. I hate sitting there with cold hands and a cold nose. I get miserable and negative....I wrap a cashmere pashmina around my shoulders during the day if I am pottering about and drape it over my legs in the evening. Trying hard to resist turning the fake fire on if I can....not looking forward to this next frost phase starting tonight. I know, draw curtains at night but I don't like not being able to see outdoors,
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                  • JWK

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                    We had our cat as a kitten and was never allowed into the hall or upstairs. She makes a dash for it if we leave the door open and won't come back as she thinks it's a game. If we close the door she usually waits to be let back in to her area. We have a cat flap in the utility for her to go outside when she chooses, so have to leave the doors open to that. The Utility isn't heated and there is a fair old draught coming from the flap even though it is a modern one.

                    Our house is on an exposed hillside and the northern side gets very cold, we have draught tape on our internal doors to isolate that.
                     
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                      Natural gas. It would be horrendously expensive to try to heat a home over here with electric. I know this as I had a town home (row house?) years ago with electric heat and even though only the front and back was exposed to wind and severe cold, it cost me over $400 for one month to heat. That was 30 years ago so it would be about $1000 in today's dollars. Or roughly 650 of your pounds. For one month!!

                      It is mild so far today and mild means only 26f -3c instead of much colder.
                       
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                      • pete

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                        Row house, I think it's probably similar to what we call a terraced house .
                        Bit like Coronation street. :roflol:
                        Just joking. ;):hate-shocked:
                         
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                          Our doors from the living room are glass panelled, so not suitable I am afraid. I have been considering thick curtains as they are both content to snuggle under the floor-length curtains in our bedroom.
                           
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                            When we stayed in our last house (top of a block of flats, no double glazing, single thickness walls with spay insulation on the outside and 40-year-old storage radiators which were cold by midafternoon) we used an electric throw, which was great. I keep saying to dig it out again, but like tons of stuff when we moved, it is here but where here!
                             
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                              @shiney you have the right attitude. I have thought, gee, right now it would be nice to be in the Bahamas or wherever it is warm, but, it is as cheap as the cab fare to the airport to turn up the heat to beach for a couple of days instead of paying for an expensive flight etc. :biggrin:
                               
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                                For years we had a wood stove in the basement. got free wood. started it December ended it about March. rare the furnace had to go on at all. We never let it go out. But seeking wood and splinting it during the summer, stacking it near basement door gets tiring. So we stopped, now its just the gas furnace. We keep the house about 65degrees F.
                                 
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