The cost of living... what can we do?

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  1. Upsydaisy

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    We normally keep all doors open , especially at nightime..I like to know and hear what's going on.
    it's the same with windows too ....I need to feel space and breathe.:)
     
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      We have our room doors open but don't open windows. For some reason the birds and pipistrelles seem to like coming indoors. :noidea:

      I have enough trouble trying to get the birds out of the greenhouse :phew:. A lot of the glass panels (5ft x 2,5ft) have slipped over the years and some have about a 2" gap. It's too dodgy to try and fix the panels as the greenhouse is wood and I installed it 46 years ago. Some of the wood struts have been replaced but it's not safe enough to try any more. A similar replacement greenhouse would cost 9k plus installation. :yikes:
       
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        I've never understood heating on and windows open.
        Spend money on double glazing and insulation etc.
        Then open a window. :scratch:
         
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          We have the benefit of permanent screens.
           
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            We open our bedroom windows once up, the heating goes off prior to that. For us it's about clearing the condensation off the glass.
             
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              It depends on their construction. In the modern part of our house we have concrete floors, underneath the concrete is 12" of insulation, so actually it's warmer than the old part with suspended timber floors.

              In our Hall there is no insulation under the floorboards and with all the air bricks it blows a gale.
               
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                Our place has concrete with no insulation but our summerhouse, comparatively new, does have concrete with insulation and underfloor heating.

                Everyone's place is different so they all get different problems. :smile:
                 
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                  Regarding thermostats, when I was working we had a similar debate in the office. Some people felt colder than others and wanted more heat, whilst others felt too hot. It caused a few arguments. Facilities gave us free standing thermometers on our desks, even putting them side by side they registered different temperatures. I brought in my greenhouse thermometers and others brought in theirs. None agreed and varied by up to 4 degrees c. So they can't really be trusted.

                  Another issue with cheaper thermostats is technical, they only switch off when the temperature is reached, by then if your radiators are hot the temperature will rise above your desired setting. When the temperature drops they only switch on again at say 2 degrees below your setting. So the temperature drops still further until your radiators warm up again.

                  It's called hysterisis and makes heating much more expensive. Those of us that heat our greenhouses over winter know that investing in a good quality thermostat saves considerably compared to just using the inbuilt setting on a fan heater, as an example.
                   
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                    All the above doesn't explain why some people turn their thermostats up though :scratch:
                     
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                      I'm guessing that draughts become colder in cold weather, so you need to put more heat in to feel the same.

                      Although not particularly draughty I do find that the house is colder in windy weather.
                      Just opening the door loses heat, moreso in windy weather.
                       
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                        It will do: as the wind "draws the heat out of the outer layer of the exterior wall" so the temperature gradient between inside and outside becomes steeper and heat moves out faster. As you are still putting heat in at the same rate the inside wall feels cooler.
                        Same reason as when you are outside getting out of the wind always feels warmer, even if you've only moved behind a hedge or wall.
                         
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                          I don't get much condensation except in the coldest weather.
                          The single glazed steel framed crittal windows used to have puddles on the window sills in the mornings and often frozen inside.
                          Over where my sister lives they have condensation all the time and run a dehumidifier often, i do know their house is situated where the water table is pretty close to the surface.
                           
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                            I've spent the morning in the loft trying to remedy some cold bridges. Where the insulation hasn't been layed correctly has been causing some condensation on steel work which is in turn giving a few mouldy patches on ceilings. All toward the outer edge walls so where the builders couldn't be bothered getting right in to.
                            Also discovered a couple of other issues but let's skip that or I'll pop a blood vessel.
                             
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                              Our floors are concrete with no insulation or underfloor heating. We have fitted carpets that help a little to stop the floors becoming too cold.
                              We have double glazing in all of the flat but no wall insulation. The windows are big for a flat and we have always liked it that way, that is until my wife had cataract surgery, now the bright lights bother her so much that she wears sunglasses on sunny days and has to close the blinds in the kitchen and the curtains in the living room. We now live in twilight most of the time.

                              We seem to have found the right temp in the flat but, on particularly cold windy days, have to increase it a degree or two. When the weather changes again we lower it again. We never heat our bedroom, with all the doors open it warms up enough. We don't put it on in the morning as we are hardly in it after getting up. Nor do we put it on before going to bed.
                               
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                                Very few places over here have radiator heating. Some ancient apartment buildings still have it and the radiators were almost always located under windows.

                                On the main floor, it is cool to the feet but that is because the cellar is only minimally heated and the insulation at the outer walls of the cellar only reaches down 36" below the ground level and the cellar has 8' ceilings and a concrete floor. I don't spend much time down there so comfort levels in that area are moot.

                                I have either tile or wood floors on the main level and also area rugs where one might be sitting for long periods. My upstairs is fully carpeted so warm on the feet however the carpet has not aged all that well.

                                I have taken to wearing slip on sneakers inside and that pair of shoes does not go outside. Except once, I accidently wore them outside and then had the task of scrubbing the soles to clean them up again. Over here it is considered a dirty habit to wear shoes inside that have been worn outside. Guests quite often bring a pair of slippers with them when visiting in the winter.

                                I think one of my biggest savings is on my water bill now that my overwintering plants and soon, new seedlings, are kept hydrated with capillary hydration. I also keep the watering can in the laundry room tub and I run the water into that until it is hot and before starting the first clothes wash of the day. The washer has a heater, an electric one so I want to avoid it having to kick in to electrically heat the water which instead, I can initially supply preheated from the gas water heater. I do the same with the dishwasher. Run the water at the sink next to it until the temp comes up because the dishwasher also has a an electric heater in it. I use the water in the cans to supply my plants so nothing is wasted.
                                 
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