The cost of living... what can we do?

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  1. gks

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    When I was out today at the aquarium they had information boards about plastics in the ocean and climate change.

    To reduce our carbon footprint and curb a warming climate according to the information boards, top of the list was, refrigeration.
     
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    What did it say about refrigeration? :scratch: Do we need more of it? Do we do away with it because it consumes so much energy? :dunno:
     
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    Reduce our dependence on it; just look at the number of lorries, containers etc with chilling units on them. Local Sainsbury buy and collect point is at the end of the car park so orders, picked, placed in van with chiller, driven across car park, then sits with engine idling (most of the time) waiting customers to pick up.
    We ship a lot of material via Polar Speed as temperature control is specified by the regulator (MHRA) as we only test storage life at 40°C. In a traffic jam in summer this can be exceeded in the back of the van; though not necessarily in the packaging.
    Air conditioning units running at the same time as the heating.
    Our server room is in the core of the building, we expanded our system this year and had to fit additional chiller unit to cope with this load.
    etc, etc, etc.
     
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      Can't see that happening :noidea:
       
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      One idea :ideaIPB: Compulsory burial/cremation of corpses within 5 days as is practised here. None of that keeping them in the fridge for three weeks! :roflol:
       
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        It was the issue of disposing chilling and cooling units that was the main concern, apparently only about 10% are disposed of properly. The problem is the gases that leak in to the atmosphere, with the chilling and cooling industry growing at a rapid pace the disposing of these systems is of major concern.

        Consumers are trying, even being asked to cut down on energy consumption, yet our local Poundland and Home Bargain stores have just recently had a refit, the chilling and freezing section area has increased nearly 10 fold, walking in that area feels like your in an Iceland store.
         
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          Makes me wonder how we survived in the past without fridges.

          There used to be hardly any refrigeration in the good old days apart from ship's carrying meat and butter. Grocery stores didn't have fridges and neither did many households. We had a cold larder with outside vents. The idea of air conditioning an office let alone a home was unheard of, we had openable windows!
           
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            I hate that in any supermarket, particularly the open chillers. Then at the store entrance is a blast of hot air and open doors!
             
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              Most new build I'm seeing do have panels I sometimes wonder why they couldn't fit a few more in, but they are there.
              I've seen some that seem to be flush fitting rather than fitted on top of tiles.
              I think a lot more design could be built into them,most of the time they look like what they are, a complete after thought.
              Triangular ones would be good for hipped roofs. But I suppose
              Varying angles could be a problem
               
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                Let's face it, half the year, in the UK you could get away with an out house as a fridge. :biggrin:
                 
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                  Good luck with that - the coroners here in the UK are not keeping up with post mortems as it is.
                   
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                    So, that also includes heat pumps as they are refrigeration in reverse.

                    See, this is the problem with our current approaches to environmental/green issues - the laws of unintended consequences is rarely taken into account and things are rammed through (similarly to our approach to Covid, funnily enough) under the premise the "The Science" says.... only once we discover those unintended consequences are they acknowledged, and even then they are often denied for far too long.

                    How much of the current pressures on the NHS are borne out of people not being able to heat their homes properly? How much is that costing us as a society? What is the longer term cost of that also? The NHS is in real danger for a starter for ten.
                     
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                      Half the time I think it's the crematoriums that can't keep up.
                       
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                        Possibly so, but the focus was post mortems at the moment:
                        UK faces post-mortem backlog after excess deaths

                        Excess deaths continuing at around 1500 per week isn't helping.
                         
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                          Oups! I thought that it was a cultural/ legal thing, as there's always been a much longer delay between death and disposal in UK. I didn't realise that there are logistic (if that's the right word) delays too :yikes: Um....is anything still working efficiently over there? :biggrin:
                           
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