The fifty shades of MAY.

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  1. clueless1

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    I agree entirely. I didn't suggest it was all banks.

    My point was and is that it is the financial elite that are once again trying to get their own way, regardless of what ordinary people want. They are used to getting their own way. The peasants had a referendum? Pah. What do they know. We'll just threaten to give them a jolly good thrashing. That's the attitude of some. It's the attitude of those that have spat their dummy out and are threatening to leave. It's those that I personally don't care about if they take their ball home.
     
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      Who is trying to get their own way ?
      It's happening and that's that.

      As to people" threatening " to take their business abroad , well.....

      If I had a business that was losing money or having monetary problems due to brexit but could be run more efficiently, cheaper and profitable abroad then I too would move my company to another country.
       
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        There are many that still refuse to accept that. Fortunately we seem to have ended up with someone in charge who has an actual back bone, so we'll be alright.
         
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          No, you were using the media reporting [whether or not it was the BBC is immaterial], as being fact to back your assertion the Civil Courts will judge people as criminal when not judged as so in Criminal Courts. A Civil Court can't classify plaintiff's as criminals but only as liable for their actions. So you were taking it as fact that the Courts had judged the plaintiffs as "Rapists" .........as I said no Civil Court views offences as criminal.

          and using it to strengthen your belief that you can be found not guilty in a Criminal Court but guilty of the same offence in a Civil Court, and that you don't have to prove beyond reasonable doubt to find a person guilty when you do. You have to understand the clear difference between a Criminal offence and one that has liability repercussions that carry weight in a Civil Court.:dunno:
           
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            There were quite a lot of financial organisations that funded the attempts the sway the verdict of the Referendum in any way they could. Some Businesses will, inevitably, move over wholly or partially to the EU to keep the "advantages" they get at the moment, while others will hesitate because they realise it is a double edged sword to be outside the UK and unable to take advantage of new global deals that Brexit will bring. I agree with you that it's happening and that's that. But Political Parties such as the Liberals will vote against triggering Article, the SNP want to hold another referendum in Scotland to underline that there was a majority vote to stay in the EU so that they can strengthen their case for a referendum to leave the UK.:coffee:
             
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            What else am I supposed to draw my conclusion from? I take commercially funded news with a massive pinch of salt. The BBC is supposed to be impartial but is in fact the mouthpiece of government so should be assumed to be accurate.

            I also didn't say anywhere that I concluded that a civil court had ruled that anyone was a criminal. I relayed the news that the court had effectively come to that conclusion.
             
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              But that is untrue again, you're saying that that Court had reached a conclusion that the plaintiffs were rapists. I doubt very much if you would find anyone in that court that will agree with you. You have failed to mention the lady involved in the case, seeming to accept that if the Criminal Courts dismissed the case that the Lady was just as culpable as the Plaintiffs for their actions. Nothing is black and white in this Life or in our Courts, so without seeing the evidence, I think you will find the plaintiff were found liable for "harmful acts to a person". As I said you need to realise the difference between Criminal acts and those that can be construed as being liable. Being found liable for acts does not "effectively" make them criminal, that again is a personal opinion and assumption......whether reported or not.:dunno:

              You're brain and undoubted intelligence:love30:. You've already stated a cynicism and distrust of all media yet you're using the Media as a defence for stating assumptions as facts.:coffee:
               
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                The news said the criminal court did not find them guilty of anything. The news also said the civil court found them to be rapists and ordered them to pay a million quid.

                Even if the reporter added in the word rapist, the civil court still ordered them to pay a million quid in compo for something the criminal court could not find them guilty of.

                Make of it what you will.
                 
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                  Shame the courts didn't get a gazillion quid from the bankers who caused the Financial Crisis.
                   
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                    I'm getting the feeling that now MPs are getting involved in the say of Article 50 they are going to push for more say in the negotiations, that in turn means more muddle, and more watering down of the leaving process.

                    Cant help thinking we are now likely to end up with the worst of both worlds.

                    ie. free movement of people in order to stay in the single market and any other conditions the EU wish to force upon us due to a lessening of our resolve to a hard Brexit.

                    If they, the EU, dont think we are ready to leave, full stop, they will run rings around any negotiations that take place, and each time MPs will want to vote on every aspect, so in the words of private Frazer.

                    Wheree Doooomeed.
                     
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                      I make it that you believe the Media more than you say and think you do.:dunno::doh:
                       
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                      I'm not going to argue. If you want to argue about this specific line of discussion, may I respectfully suggest you take it up with the BBC. They reported it. I actually don't care about it enough to discuss it further.
                       
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                        You are Stanley Unwin and I claim my £5
                         
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                          I said as much 6 months ago :smile:
                           
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                            It's in the post, John........according to the Media.:dunno::heehee:
                             
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