THE VANISHING PENSION

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  1. ARMANDII

    ARMANDII Low Flying Administrator Staff Member

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    Well, I'm lucky enough to receive 5 pensions, not counting my State Pension, and I immediately invested cash from 4 of them into investments with advice from a, believe it or not, Honest Broker and it has paid off reasonably well. Of course the dear old Taxman is there wanting his dues but at least the investments did much better than keeping trust in the Pensions, ISA's etc. The Banks are offering nothing to investors or savers and in fact when I had the total sum of cash sitting in my Bank Account, for at least a month, nobody there attempted to contact me and offer any opportunities of investment.

    There is very little honour among any of the Politicians of any Party, Charlie, and only May's disastrous General Election stopped the dilution of the triple lock and the RPD calculation from being put into effect. The Politicians are only interested in reducing the cost of the State Pension due to the past Governments [of all colours] inept handling of funds.:dunno::doh:
     
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      Bearing in mind my investment that matured was a cash ISA linked to the stock market, but tax free, I'm a bit loathed to bung it all into a pension scheme where I can take 25% tax free, but have to pay tax at 20% on any other amounts I might want to with draw.

      Most other investments seem to attract some fairly high charges, so that is something I'm bearing in mind.
      The little bloke always loses out, I know, it is just a case of losing out as least as possible.
       
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      ARMANDII Low Flying Administrator Staff Member

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      Taken from an article on comparing the UK State Pensions against those of Europe

      "Workers in Britain face a larger financial shock in retirement than European counterparts because their state pension is "one of the least generous in Europe", a study has found.

      The state pension of £113.10 a week is worth just a third of the average salary of someone in work, the International Longevity Centre said.

      The "replacement" figure was far below the average of for the rest of Europe, where state retirement payments were worth nearly half national average earnings.

      Britain ranked 21st out of 27 countries in the list, the ILC found, giving it one of the least generous pensions in Europe.

      As a result, workers who failed to amass private savings would see their incomes drop further than European counterparts when they stopped work. The financial shock contrasted with Greece, where workers received nearly 100 per cent of typical pay from the state in retirement.

      The generosity of Greek state pension provision was mirrored in other countries where public finances were under strain.

      Spain, Cyprus, Italy and Portugal all appeared in the top 10 – offering a glimpse of why some their governments have been on the brink of default.

      Austria, Finland and Belgium all also rated above average, while maintaining relatively strong public finances.

      Estonia and Poland offered the least generous pension relative to average earnings, the report found. In Estonia pensioners typically received just a quarter of the income they earned during a working life.

      The data was based on an OECD study in 2012 and did not take into account reforms that will set the state pension in Britain at a "flat-rate" £155 a week in 2016.

      Helen Creighton, of the International Longevity Centre, said: "The Government aspires for the UK to be the best place in the world to grow old.

      "Whilst the UK is by no means the worst place in Europe to grow old, we’ve got a lot to do to top the European league."

      State pensions compared: Proportion of average salary 'replaced' by the state in retirement"

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        The state Pension is disgusting bearing in mind how much you pay in, and how the government uses the money.
        If the same principle was applied to company pension schemes there would be an awful lot or Robert Maxwell's floating around the ocean.

        I've not until the last few years worked for a company that actually offered a pension scheme as such, Building and civil engineering scheme was the best they would give us.
        It was for years just a lump sum:lunapic 130165696578242 5: scheme , which you had to opt out of in order to pay into a private pension.
        But I'm not sure where any of my money paid into serps actually went and I think it has all but disappeared.

        Graduated pension?
        Anyone remember that? All gone by the board.
         
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          It remains a bone of contention for me that for 45 years I worked extremely hard . I ran a business for 38 years and paid my tax and NI on time. I was a worrier when it came to that sort of thing.

          Yet my pension age is now 67 instead of the 65 it should be.

          I was never given an alternative but to pay the full rate of tax and NI yet they the system that took my money can simply say we ain't paying you for two additional years.

          I'm retired now due to my wife's illness. I am in effect her full time carer. My doctor tells me I should claim for carers allowance but I've never even looked at it.

          It's 7 more years till I reach that pension age of 67.

          I intensely dislike the system. All of it they are all nothing short of liars.

          I think by making the changes that won't come into play for quite some years is a clear admission that we will reamain in debt or get far deeper by the time the changes come into force.

          But what do we expect from a bunch of chinless t urds that give themselves 11% wage increases year on year yet give our doctors nurses firefighters etc etc 1% ... They are after all public servants.......

          There I feel better now.........:biggrin:
           
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            To be a carer for someone is a draining job under many points of view, emotional, financial and so on. I can only imagine that any kind of help, ranging from somebody taking on your duties for a day, to some extra money for your increased needs, can only be a relief, in the long term.
             
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              Thank you. It is or can be tough. But I love my wife dearly so it's no bother. We just get on with it and enjoy what we have.

              We now have a large and lovely garden which we both enjoy. I've created a separate growing area and erected a greenhouse and built raised beds. Simple stuff really but everything is done so the boss can get easy acces and all areas are paved and flat.

              I get out from time to time and have a wonderful network of family and friends who help me no end.

              For me the only thing I struggle with is seeing my wife in pain. I genuinely wish it were me and not her. I feel helpless sometimes but cannot let it get to me or let it show.

              The carers allowance they can keep. But how nice it would have been if they had not messed with the pensions.

              We have private pensions or frankly we would be stuffed. The state pension is not great but it would allow just a little easement and take away just a bit of the anxiety.

              There are many many people far worse off than us.
               
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              • ARMANDII

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                Been there, Charlie, it's not nice. but being there for her is her tonic and she does know, as my wife did, how you feel and think.:love30:
                 
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