Third runway at Heathrow!

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  1. Sirius

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    @Sheal I am not saying it's nice for those people.
    Yes, they are attached to their homes. Yes, it's not nice.
    But the bigger picture is that a 3rd runway will benefit London, England and the entire UK.
    The entire country is being held to ransom by a handfull of people

    @Charlie996,
    greedy bureaucrat idiots
    So is this anyone who will gain some sort of benefit from a 3rd runway?
    From the massive contractors emplying thousands of people to small indvidual run businesses?

    @fat controller,
    I agree 100%
     
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    By the time they build a third runway at Heathrow, if approved, they will look back and wonder why they didn't build one at Gatwick as well, not instead of because we will have run out of runway space again by then, vicious circle.
     
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      I'm not sure about which is the better place for them to impose a third runway. Or whether Boris Island would have been better.

      There's a problem with Stansted! They're running at just over 50% capacity at the moment so don't need a new runway and the number of flights has dropped by 20% in the last few years. This is partly because of the economic situation in recent years but mainly because the airlines don't want to go there - and have said so quite strongly.

      Almost all scheduled airlines that have tried to go from Stansted have found that the businessmen will not go there (they think it's in the boondocks :noidea:). There's also a very strong lobby that have taken the airport owners to court numerous times in the last 50 years, as well as fighting the proposals at all the public hearings. The roads are useless from the airport to London and the rail links are even worse.
       
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        I think it's most peoples opinion, outside London, Sirius, that London Airports only benefit London.......hence the "North South divide" despite all the talk of a Powerhouse Northwest and Manchester........especially as most of the projected work on the interconnecting rail lines between northern cities is being delayed [scrapped].:coffee::snork:
         
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          The way I see it is you cant just keep cramming capacity into Heathrow, or Gatwick for that matter. The existing M25 is a total disaster, and they can take away as much hard shoulder, add as many lanes as they like and you still get gridlock when the cops shut it for a lorry fire.
          Or other similar "minor" problems.

          The best way in my view is to build the connections first, that way a Stansted or even Manston thing could work, make it faster to central London than the existing jam from Heathrow, and the Airlines might see the light.

          I should add that Boris Island would get my vote, .......just as long as they stuck him there and didn't give him a boat.:biggrin:
           
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            You're quite right that the infrastructure should be in place first. Three years ago they had an investigation into widening the M11 from London to Stansted but came to the conclusion that it was too difficult and too expensive. The bottom end of the motorway doesn't get them anywhere near Central London or the West End (you can drive from Stansted to Birmingham in the same time it takes to get to central London and the rail link from Birmingham is faster!).

            A similar result happened about improving the rail link (there are more infrastructure failures on that line than any other line around London with bus replacement services running regularly).

            Stansted airport is also the designated airport to redirect terrorist threatened flights (it happens more often than the press report).
             
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              `Well I dont think the M25 takes you anywhere near central London, its always going to be that bit on the inside that is the bugbear.
              As to rail links, I've travelled up the M20 doing a ton, Ssshhh, and when that Eurostar goes past you think you have stopped.
              So it can be done, you just need the investment.
               
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              Maybe Greece will give us a loan??:dunno:
               
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                Apparently they owe us one billion.
                 
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                  Euros or Drachma??
                   
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                    Good old British pounds, I think.

                    You can poke all that toy money where the sun dont shine.

                    That's what got them into this mess in the first place.
                     
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                      Really? It'll just cause even more chaos than it does now!

                      They'll walk all over the residents in that area to get it! It proves that the powers that be don't give a toss about messing up peoples lives. I wonder what would happen if the properties in question were owned by those people making the decisions?
                       
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                        Most of that was in open country or lower population areas.

                        Stansted to Liverpool St has 20 miles of it going through very built up areas with about 12 miles going through the densest populated areas of London, with the current track letting the passengers almost able to shake hands with the people in their houses!
                         
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                        Doesn't the Eurostar go into central London?
                        Or at least planned to do so at some point?

                        As for open country, yes it carved up Kent, but nobody cared much.
                        It also blighted a lot of houses along the route for a very long time before they made the decision on the exact route.

                        Its there now, but cant think it was worthwhile
                        unless it gets extended.

                        Tunnels cost money, but they can do it for cross rail.
                         
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                        Then the properties will be worth more :mute:
                         
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