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    :loll:We have that saying where I'm from too!

    Thank you for the advise - I've never grown them before, so I would probably have done the same as you!:star::ThankYou:
     
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      Right, sanity check ladies and gents please.

      Of the 30,000 plus seeds that I have in hand, I would quite like to get a decent display from them this year; I have just been out to the shed, dug out my heated propagator and two 66cm windowsill propagators.

      I am having second thoughts about the begonias, mostly because the things seem to hate me regardless of whether they come from seed or plug plant, but also because I just know that I am going to be over-run with plants before too long, and I have a lot of seed to get through.

      So, I was contemplating starting off a couple of trays of cineraria silver dust in the heated propagator (2 x full size trays), and then getting a load of geraniums underway in the windowsill propagators (6 half size trays), or even one prop with geraniums and another with hypoestes? My logic is that the likes of the geraniums and cineraria should germinate reasonably quickly, which will let me move them out to the greenhouse once they are a few weeks on, and I can then use the props to get petunia or calibrachoa seeds going?

      Or is there anything else on my list that I should be starting earlier instead/as well as?
       
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        I started on the windowsill at the start of March. Pretty much everything has now germinated (except Verbena bonariensis) but the growth seems to be slow enough right now. I am potting on a number of things today which will start to stretch my windowsill. BUT I am only growing about a fifth of what you are! :D Definitely sounds wise to concentrate on the greenhouse and start a bit later.
         
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          My last two batches off seeds go on the Prop end of this week , Gazanias and miniature Cosmos . Almost everything else has germinated and are positioned on politically acceptable windowsills through the house :biggrin: I should be pricking out some varieties next week , and hope to start moving trays into the GH first week in April. I hope the night time temps start ramping up soon still far too cold to risk moving anything out yet.
           
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            Well, in the end I sowed 140 geranium (f2), 1000 cineraria silver dust, and 250 hypoestes with the heated prop taken up entirely by geraniums, and the rest spread between two windowsill propagators and two more seed tray size propagators/
             
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            :roflol: :roflol: :roflol: Brilliant!! :yay: That has to be the phrase of the day :heehee:
             
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              Ermmm, do you intend to use al these plants FC? Cineraria need to be planted fairly well apart as they branch and spread quite a bit.

              It's a good idea to check your seed packets, I put mine in earliest sowing order for rotation in the propagator. I also check for those that take much longer than others to germinate and juggle those with the earliest sowings.

              Nicotiana germinate fairly quickly but take a while to put on growth as they're tiny.
               
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                My seeds have started to arrive! :yes: The glass will be in my greenhouse this weekend! :yes:

                Now I need some help being a bit of a newbie at this........in what order should I be popping the seeds in? And do any of them need to be cold? I know I need to get some sharp sand to mix with my potting compost. Is there anything else? :new::help::dunno:
                 
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                  Hello Heather , as Sheal says above you need to juggle your seed sowing order to get a good flow through your prop. For example Cosmos is easy to germinate , around 7 days on a heated prop at 22°c . I always germinate my seeds in the house so not sure how to handle temperature fluctuations in a green house . Someone will advise you I think .
                   
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                  You need to read the back of the packets, it will detail the temps and any other special requirements there. Then make a list to help you plan, you can then group some of them together. For example I've got a few seeds of hardy annuals that will happily germinate in my greenhouse, I've shoved them in there for a couple of weeks in a poly bag so they don't dry out. The more tender stuff that needs 20 to 22C I start off indoors in my propagator, and because space is at a premium I only start them in little square pots. Once they have germinated and have a couple of true leaves they can be moved onto a window ledge or the greenhouse and pricked out. I suppose it depends on how many varieties you are sowing, at this time of year most of us will have houses with plants all over the place, like a production line.
                   
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                    Thanks for your replies so far guys. I ordered the seeds from Premier Seeds viz Amazon so they don't come with any instructions, they just come in a plain baggy with a label on the front syaing what they are and how may seeds are inside. I could do the research on the internet - I guess I'm just being a bit lazy! :huh:
                     
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                    Ah just found your list Heather :)

                    This may be obvious but you don't want to be sowing the full packets. Just enough for your needs and a few spare. For example Lobelia has very small seed and I guess your packet may have several hundred seeds. Only sow a couple of dozen seed if you want say 12 plants. They won't all germinate, and you will lose a few along the way when pricking out etc. If you sow too many you will have to thin out early on, so save some for next year. (Keep your packets sealed as well as possible and store them in a dry cool place out of the sun).

                    Sweet Peas need to be sown individually in pots to avoid root disturbance.

                    My Cosmos have just germinated in 4 days!
                     
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                      Yes, it's easy to do, in a web browser highlight your seed name and right click to get google to search for you. Then go to one of the big seed company names, they will usually have instructions there.
                       
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                          I would start the Antirrhinums and Lobelia now. Both of which are slow to put on growth. Pinch the tip of the Antirrhinums out when they have two or three pairs of true leaves to make them branch out. Lobelia seedlings are tiny and when it comes to pricking out I pot on a dozen in a bunch together to make a little clump as they won't come to much as individual plants.

                          You'll be surprised how many plants you will need when it comes to planting out, they seem to disappear very quickly. I'd rather have more plants than not enough than be left with gaps in the beds or planters. :)
                           
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