Trump, I Was Being Sarcastic. He He He!!!

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    Did you get that quote from Facebook? :snorky:
     
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      I agree but it's a brilliant satirical magazine :dbgrtmb:. Pity it had to go digital :sad: For me it lost some of its impact and humour when it did so.

      Social media is littered with fake news but too many people believe it. :doh: There's currently an investigation into fake news on social media and they're trying to see what can be done about it. I don't think they will have much luck.

      Last year I did quite a bit of research on deaths by shooting in the U.S. (as well as deaths by many other causes). The latest figures, at the time, were an annual count of 15,600 (source - FBI). This didn't include the 650 accidental deaths caused by people shooting themselves. By contrast, over 22,000 died from accidental falls (in the street, off building :scratch:, falling out of bed, tripping over furniture etc.)

      This all palls into insignificance compared to deaths on the road and particularly deaths caused by cancer, stroke and heart disease.

      Latest info in the news:- Shiney's Open Day this year is expected to break all records :thumbsup: :snork:
       
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        I found it on Facebook so it must be the truth.
         
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          About time!! :phew: Records are sooooo '70's - it's all digital now, dear :pathd: (although ... they do seem to be having a come back under the guise of "Retro")
           
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            Vinyl record sales have increased by 260% in the last five years. Those are just newly pressed ones. :dbgrtmb: There's a booming market in used LP's as well :). Maybe I should go back to selling records. ;)
             
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              I prefer vinyl records. They can be made into good sized plant pots! :snork:
               
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                A thought....wasnt there an episode of "The Simpsons" many years ago in which Bart travelled into the future, and saw Lisa as the USA's first woman president after taking over from Donald Trump? He ran the USA to rock bottom if memory serves...

                Does that mean in the next US election, a cartoon character will become president?:lunapic 130165696578242 5:
                 
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                  :dunno:
                  Maybe a Chinese "Lisa"? :noidea:
                   
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                    I heard today that over a million people had signed a petition to try to ban Trump from entering the UK.
                    Err, how many people live in the UK?

                    So how many haven't signed?
                    Bearing in mind "signing" probably just involves putting your name on an online petition.

                    I get the impression there are some serious trouble makers out there whipping people up into a frenzy over this, bearing how mindless people seem to be these days I guess it's to be expected.
                    There has always been the suckers out there looking for a "cause"to follow.

                    We have had the Chinese over here for state visits and people from Saudi Arabia and the protests just amounted to a few flag waving weirdos.

                    I just think it's being blown out of all proportion.
                     
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                      I used to do that with my damaged 78's (and 80's). :dbgrtmb: I still have a stack of them left so I won't run out of pots. :snork:
                       
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                        I can understand a lot of people being annoyed at Trump. I personally saw no problem with his plan to shut the doors to too many people coming from high risk countries. But he went too far by basically exiling people who had already proven themselves to not be terrorists.

                        So I can understand people objecting and protesting.

                        However, I do think they haven't thought it through. People don't these days. They get an email from 38 degrees or the lobby spammers, and just do as they are told.

                        Trump can make some sense into my opinion. He's just a bit of an idiot when it comes to details. That's understandable. He's a serious business person. People at the very top often can't manage details. They only see the big picture. Such people need support rather than alienation. If as a nation we tell Trump that we don't like him and will ignore him, he'll rightly just ignore us. Why should he beg for anything from us? If on the other hand we say, look man, you're an idiot, but you're our friend, we'll work with you and try to help you get it right. Then maybe we might have some influence.

                        Think about it. If all your friends United together against you and ignored you. You'd just find new friends wouldn't you? Whereas if they remain your friend but tell you what's upsetting them, maybe you'll listen to them. Same with the protesters vs Trump I reckon.
                         
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                          Apart from the legal challenges he's getting to the Executive Order he's now going to get a lot of trouble with State Department employees using the 'Dissent Channel' to oppose him.

                          Also, State Attorney Generals are looking at countermanding the order in their States. I think Washington State have already done so.

                          I have nothing against him trying to keep out terrorists but the seven countries he has restricted haven't had any of their citizens commit any of the terrorist acts in the U.S. They have all been committed by people from countries that he hasn't restricted :doh:
                           
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                            You all do know that Obama identified these 6 countries and the 73 democrats voted for this prior to Trump taking office.
                             
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                              I can't speak for everyone, only myself. But I see no problem at all in any country banning entry from any other country. That's a matter for the nation in question and it's people.

                              If I were in charge of the UK, I'd probably be easily persuaded to ban people from certain countries myself.

                              I think the problem is the range of the ban and the absence of justification.

                              Banning entry from politically unstable countries is reasonable in my opinion. I'd be wanting to make sure innocents were safe though. Trump has included in the ban people who have built their lives in America, paid huge sums of tax there, pushed it's industry forward. People who have contributed positively to the US, but might have been born elsewhere, and might want to go on holiday. If an Iranian working for Google leaves the US briefly, he can't get back in. Remember this isn't just if he goes to Iran or any of the countries deemed to be a risk, it's anywhere. Some might have families abroad. What then? Their families can't get in to visit, and the 'foreigner' living and working in the US, paying into the system, probably with a circle of friends and a complete life, can't visit his family without giving up everything in the US. What if our hypothetical Iranian married a local girl, and they have family together. Our Iranian wants to see his elderly mother. She can't come to the US. Does our Iranian leave to visit his mother, knowing he can't get back in? Does he take his wife and kids with him just in case? But then his wife must choose between staying in exile with her innocent husband and never seeing her family again, or returning without her husband, tearing up her own family.

                              Whose idea it was is irrelevant. Trump enacted it. If he's got it wrong, it is he who must live with it.
                               
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                              He did, redstar, but didn't enforce such an Executive Order as Trump has done and Obama did that for good reason. I must admit that every time I hear a Trump Aide say "Well, it was Obama that listed those countries" I cringe in embarrassment for them as it really sounds like they're saying "Well, it's not our fault, Trump signed the Executive Order because Obama listed those countries and said we could".......:sofa: Trump hasn't thought through the EO and is now having to hastily amend it regarding Green Card Holders and Dual Nationality people. No narcissistic person will ever feel embarrassed as that very quirk stops them from doing so.........be even so, Trump should feel embarrassed over the ill thought out EO's he's signing. I never thought I would see the USA split so violently and widely over issues that they would normally thrash out in reasonable debate and action and it's sad to see it so now.:dunno: America's enemies must be loving all the chaos over the last 10 days.:doh:
                               
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