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  1. Jiffy

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    Thing are to easy and quick, more time to sit in front the telly
     
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      And part of the underlying motive came out (as I suspected) on the ITV News tonight - - they are looking at the possibility of a tax on sugary drinks.

      So, its a case of "we don't like it, so we're going to tax it" - - all decided by a committee of 7 (yes, only seven) people who are certainly not hard up for a bob or two, and who wouldn't appreciate a bacon sarnie if it was gold plated.

      I am not saying for one minute that everyone's diet in this country is what it should be, and I am not even saying that there might not be some sort of benefit to some people by changing their diet - - what I am saying is that there are far bigger issues that are definitely having a much bigger impact on people's health than a couple of spoons of sugar in a brew.

      I am fed up with everything being laid at the door of what we eat etc too - - it seems that you cannot go to a doctor nowadays without getting some sort of tutting or attitude that you are all that is bad because you are a bit overweight. I even had a doctor recently try to tell me that the problems with my joints was down to my weight - - - really? I am kicking the backside of 6ft, and weigh between 14 & 15 stone; yes, I am overweight, but I am not exactly massive, and when I asked another doctor how my weight would have a bearing on joints such as my wrists and elbows, she replied that it wouldn't have an effect.....

      And the argument that it is costing the NHS/taxpayer a load of money doesn't really hold a lot of water with me either; if we are going to tax a can of Coke, are we also going to apply some sort of tax or compulsory insurance for anyone that needs to be rescued whilst partaking in sporting activities, such as those well off enough to buy a wee yacht and sail it into the middle of the Atlantic? Thought not.
       
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        I'm off to Val's for the weekend to test her theory :thumbsup:
        (Budge over, Val .... coffee/tea, white, no sugar thank you. Oooh, is that a glass of red? I'll have one of those instead please ... with a crumpet and butter .... and ... erm, I'll passively inhale you afterwards :) ) :ccheers: :ccheers: :ccheers:

        See, me and @Val.. know how to party :yay:
         
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          Ah, that'll be due to the huge tax deficit brought about by those who have given up smoking and reduced their alcohol consumption ... as a result of Gov/Health promotions.

          And, didn't I read recently (?) someone spouting that food - in general - should be made "more expensive" so that people "appreciate it" more? :scratch: (I'll have to search that one, but I'm pretty sure I didn't dream it: why would I? :dunno:)
           
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            I sometimes wonder if all the sugar kids consume can be causing this ADHD, I don't think there was such a thing when I was a kid?? :scratch:

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              :heehee:Oops, ok ... that may have been part of the sugary food debate.

              But, I do think there is an issue though (taking out the tax debate etc.)

              Having worked alongside Chinese people, and worked in China, (as an example) their food has no where near the same "sweetness" as ours. Actually, where I will reject modern "sweets", I could tolerate (and even enjoy!) the occasional "sweet" treat there. They really do not like how "sweet" our Westernised foods are - but, our "sweeter" foods are addictive for many people.

              Capitalism is rife and .... "sugar" coated ;) :heehee:
               
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                You could well be onto something there @val; we didn't have any ADHD when I was a lad - - - we did have a few naughty wee so-and-so's though.... :biggrin:
                 
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                  I'm sure I suffered from ADHD.
                  In the summer I'd often watch the bloke driving the tractor mowing the playing fields, while in a maths lesson etc.
                  Just wanted to be out there, and not stuck in a classroom.
                   
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                    That's not ADHD is it? If so, I think most of us had it! Kids heads are supposed to be full of stuff and nonsense, or at least to a degree. Truthfully, I think its the current obsession for anything/anoyone that does not conform to 'normal' has to have a label or have a cause. Its almost as though humans are not supposed to be individuals anymore.

                    What I want to know is, who decided what 'normal' is, what gave them the right to make that decision, and how do you know if you are or not - do you get a certificate?
                     
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                      Sadly the American Psychiatric Association have a lot to answer for they regularly publish a large book detailing all of the conditions they believe exist. If you are not normal you get a prescription and attention.
                       
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                        My childhood was similar; also not a lot of central heating and walk/cycle to the shops rather than take the car.
                        Very simply if you take in more energy (as food) than you expend working, keeping warm then you will tend to become larger and vice versa.

                        Possibly related we use to run around the playground walk to school and were glad to sit down in class for a rest. Didn't necessarily mean we paid attention though.
                         
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                            I think these scare mongering articles are no help to anyone. On the one hand you have the obesse people who should act upon this information and don't because that's all they hear and so rebel againist it. On the other hand you have people obsessed with their weight who are paranoid about getting fat and so go to the opposite end of the scale and become anorexic. Both are unhealthy ways of life but it's only the obesse people you see in the news not the other end of the scale, which is even more life threating in some cases than being obesse.

                            I eat what I want and that usually includes a lot of sugar, fat etc. I should be overweight by now and I'm not because I exercise almost everyday (I'm still a stone underweight because of this). Exercise is key imo and this is not being pushed hard enough. If everyone who could excerise did then they could eat what they want when they wanted and not feel bad about it. I come in contact with people all the time saying "Ooo I shouldn't have a slice of that cake" and my response is life's too short to punish yourself.
                             
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                              I pretty much eat what I want too, need it when you'm up and down a scaffold all day :phew:

                              Don't take sugar in my tea, unless i'm plastering.
                               
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                                A sugar tax would be absolutely useless as the proportion of the cost of sugar in foods is a small part of the cost. So any increase in cost to the public would be minimal and not a deterrent. Of course, being logical about this, it would not be a deterrent to any government to implementing a tax! :doh: But I don't think it will happen :smile:

                                Although I think there is too much sugar in pre-prepared foods I don't think they should be going on so much about them.

                                Having said that, I think there should be some encouragement, through publicity, for parents to reduce the amount of sugary drinks that children drink. The same goes for adults. Adding sugar to tea etc. should simply be a personal choice but manufacturers of soft drinks heavily promote their drinks as being healthy when they are not!

                                Lots of the fruit drinks are promoted as being one of the 'five a day' without, naturally, telling you that having too much is bad - particularly for children. This 'healthy publicity' is cleverly made to spill over into 'squash/soda and pop' type drinks which have an enormous percentage of added sugars. The average amount of sugar in a can of 'soft' drink is 8 teaspoons!!!! :hate-shocked:
                                 
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