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    keeping my fingers crossed for you too Elizabeth. Try to do ALL this "prep" work before you put the fish back in. Glad you got some advice that you feel comfy with. It's a very different hobby having outdoor fish. Nothing like good old fashioned gardening is it?
    Good luck, hope the weather stays warm and calm,
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    It's not as obvious as you would think, Elizabeth!!! Believe me, you're not the only one to have had that trouble. I did a lot of research, reading a lot of books on building, maintaining a pond before I did anything and one of the tips was about raising the pump off the bottom. My pond is an informal Wildlife pond so it has got better and better over the years.
    It's depends of the thickness of the sediment on the bottom, Elizabeth as to how far you have to raise the pump.. Anything that's flat and raises the pump up until it's clear of the mud.:snork:
     
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      I suppose its more difficult because it's such a small tub pond, everything seems more complicated.
      Shame i wasn't here when it all went wrong though, as i would have called the Farm up and spoke to them right away, and then probably have just had the anti-parasite put in the pond and maybe it wouldn't have escalated this badly.
      Oh well, it's all educational i suppose!
       
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      Well, it's only a tub for a pond, so it shouldn't need to be raised too much to be fair. Thinking about using a take-away plastic tub container - talk about recycling! :loll:
       
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      Sad news.. Went to check on the poorly and he's gone.
      Lump of fluff was off his back on the other side of the bucket, probably with his top fin amongst it (i could see some orange scales).
      Hoping that it came off after he passed somehow and didn't get ripped off from being tangled in the grass or another fish and thus causing his passing :(

      R.I.P poor goldie with the long white tail. You fought so long to stay alive :(
      He's been buried with the other fish at the back wall, on the left, underneath that round bush.

      Now i have only the two shubunkin's and the goldie with the white face.
      that's they survive now.. I'm worried when i put them in the pond tomorrow i may not notice a problem until it's too late though.
       
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      If you start worrying about everything regarding the pond you will lose the pleasure of it, Elizabeth........and you don't want that.:nonofinger:
      Sorry to hear about the sick fish. It's part of keeping fish that you will lose some now and then, unfortunately. If you read some of the threads members have lost fish to disease, water conditions and particularly Herons who will clean out containers and ponds of fish given the chance. I know it's not nice to lose fish but as I said before the more experienced you get the more knowledgeable and capable you will get when things come up. Have a visit to your local Charity Shop and you should find a good, but cheap book on Fish Ponds and Fish Containers Maintainance. The more you know the better, believe me.:snork:
       
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        It wasn't your fault Elizabeth. Don't give up,
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          I won't! Probably better off i guess having the two shubunkin's and one goldie in my 60litre tub anyway!

          I know the fish expert man told me not to do a full change of my pond with cleaning again, but i've had to. Sounds really bad, and i know its risky, but the bottom was covered in this fluffy cloudy stuff which looks very similar to the stuff on my fish and killing it. It absolutely stank to high heaven too! I couldn't help but think the risk of a full change was better than the risk of putting the 'healthy' fish in with the parasites/fungus.

          Currently my fish are in a bucket outside in the shade by the pond, to try to acclimatize the bucket water to outside temp. I will then later pop the fishy in the bucket water into a plastic bag for a while floating in the pond for a few minutes/hours before putting the fish in the pond for good.
          Does that sound reasonable?
          To be honest though, i will probably place the fish in myself rather than tip the bag/bucket water in the pond because there looks like some fluffy residue in the bucket from the now dead poorly fish - and i don't want to re-introduce it into a clean pond.
           
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          Can you take some of the fluffy stuff back to your fish suppliers? It sounds viscous and maybe could still infect your tub. Need to get your fish and their environment infection free . See what they say. I do remember when we first had our pond, the Koi man said " don't buy loads of fish all at once". Very tempting , but see how one or two fare and introduce more in twos' over a period of time. We still lost some, but an olive green Tench stayed the distance though he wasn't easy to see very often.
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          It's all gone now and I guess it's too late anyway really for my two poor goldies.
          I won't be buying anymore fish, i just started with those 5 and probably better for them now theres only 3 for the space they have.

          So far so good anyway, all 3 still alive although i wonder if they're in mourning or suspicious of me because they aren't eating like they used to, seem a bit more skittish. Strange without all the pebbles too! Seems empty. Might get me some more grass to stop it looking so empty!
           
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          They are "skittish" I think because of the recent handling you've had to do. Also, as the days shorten and the day and nights cool down, they, like plants will change their habits. They will spend less time at the top and will be less hungry. As long as you recognise their requirements and don't surplus leave fishfood in their pond, they should be OK,
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          Hi Elizabeth, at the moment you're better letting things get stable again. It might be that the fish are not feeding due to the colder nights as temperature does affect feeding, I know that from the experience of being a freshwater angler!!
          Regarding the pebbles, Elizabeth, I don't agree with the advice about the pebbles. I have loads of pebbles in the pond, along with grit, mud, decaying leaves and everything that Mother Nature can put in and they're not the cause of, or the shelter for bacteria. Bacteria are present where ever we go and we can't live without them, and they're certainly present in every pond, tub and container of gardeners who have them.
          Fin Rot, which I believe your fish were suffering from, is caused by a parasite so bacteria were not the original cause of the disease. I know this sounds paradoxical but a healthy pond, tub or container does have bacteria in them as it's all part of Nature.:snork:
           
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          Thanks Armandii - it's difficult isn't it when theres lots of different advice and points of view?

          To be honest at the moment it's a bit easier to keep my eyes on them without all the pebbles. I have just had a mini clean with my little net - fishing out some stuff (i think fish poop, but it was orange! like the pellet colour). I think I will consider adding one or two of the bigger pebbles at some point soon, but i can't anti-parasite the pond apparently with weather going cold (?). The anti fungus/fin rot stuff we put in didn't seem to work for my second fish to die.. But the others seem fine.

          I think my pond plants might be a bit in distress too, other just part of the weather changes. My hyacinths seem to be shedding their stringy root bits? (can you tell these water plants are new to me :rolleyespink:)
           
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