Yes Fox wasn't a million miles away from doing a Profumo affair altho maybe most on GC are too young to remember that! I am sad to say it just goes to show that our standards of decency have slipped somewhat when an MP and defence secretary no less can come back from what he did and have the brass neck to stand for leader/PM. Probably well qualified come to think of it....sigh.
Apparently there's a big march in London today to protest against the referendum result. In effect using their democratic rights (to march) to protest against the democratic rights of others (to leave the EU). On the irony.
If it helps them let off steam then good luck to them. I'm sure a lot of them are there just to enjoy the event. It's the sort of thing I would have done in my younger days (very reminiscent of Aldermarston).
If that is how they choose to spend their Saturday, that's fine (hope the weather is too - storms here).
The last thing the UK needs right now is to show Europe that we're all in a state of chaos and disunity. Any attempt by what's left of our government to take a firm stance in negotiations now will just be laughed at. Eu politicians can rightly tell our negotiators, 'even your own people disagree with you and hold you in contempt'. That hardly puts us in a position of strength from which to negotiate our future.
I just saw this onF***book, I thought of this thread immediately! I hope it makes you giggle as much as it did me!
All this protesting and wriggling is starting to pee me off now. The vote has passed and the decision has been made. I disagree with it but that is democracy. Accept it or do as I'm trying to do and sort out your own Brexit before the UK leaves. We lost that position of strength when we chose out and became a bit player on the world stage.
Slightly on a tangent from the main topic, we're now seeing the downside of a Direct Democracy. This is a democracy where the individuals all have an equal vote (referendum) with the result, if it doesn't go your way, being blamed on your neighbour (those that didn't vote your way). This has allowed the latent xenophobia to come to the fore. I don't think that the views of any of the proponents has particularly switched people's thoughts. The situation has allowed it to come out. Obviously, there has been an influence to some extent. Our normal form of democracy is what is called Representative Democracy. We elect representatives and they make the decisions. This allows us to blame our representatives and not let our bile out on the neighbours. It's now time to make sure that our decision is the best we can get.
Well said @shiney, it's been such "fun" up here in the north pre and post our referendum and looks like we are going to do it all again, in the mean time our country is falling to bits but our representatives don't either see it or care less.
@silu I can't quite see what Sturgeon is getting at with saying that she's come back from the EU with favourable comments for Scotland. From what I can make out they told her they wouldn't negotiate with her Alright, they've also said more or less the same to us (not directly to the face of any of our government - yet) we, at least, have something to bargain with. All this arguing about the vote having been too close makes me cringe. What if Scotland had decided, in their referendum, to part company with us. Then the 'Leave' percentage would have been quite a bit higher. Anything can be done with the figures if you pick the ones that suit you. A majority is a majority. Sturgeon has been looking for any reason to have another referendum. I wonder what the voters up there really think about it?
Spain and France have already said they will block Scotland - it only takes one. Junker initially refused to meet with Nic. I'm also not sure why she is so upbeat - Scotland can't veto the brexit and if they vote for independence they can't join the EU. The meeting was a waste of time. Spain don't like the idea because of Catalonia. Andrea Leadsom - I don't trust her - she's always smiling - even when she is talking and having a go at someone .
With respect, this is an opinion. It seems to be an opinion held by a minority that directly opposes an opinion held by the majority. It's all opinion. My opinion is that if we all go around complaining about impending doom then we will bring doom upon ourselves by being a nation of pessimistic defeatists. Or we could say yep, it's not what I hoped would happen but it is what it is, now how can I contribute to making it work.
If by "position of strength", longk, you mean our trading potential then we will be free to trade globally, without restriction, with all countries. Europe will still be a huge market of opportunity for us without have the millstone of EU Bureaucracy around the neck of the UK's future. If you mean as a influence politically and military then I personally think that, after all the doom and gloom dust has settled, then we will have the political respect of countries as we still are still the 4th largest economy, if you mean militarily then we've got one of the smallest armed services and which now relies on contractors from civilian firms to do a lot of the work for servicing etc. So we have been a minor player for a long time despite what the Politicians say. The country has made it's choice, agree or disagree, but there are more directions than
I'm now in two minds. I like the idea that we should leave the EU, but I really dont like the political wrangling that is going on. As Cameron has now jumped ship, we need a new leader fast, no messing, and someone who is prepared to get stuck in. The Tories need to get it sorted. As to the Labour party They might aswell consider themselves out of politics for the next 10yrs unless they can get that scrawny bloke to quit. I'm guessing its the unions that are keeping him going. And that says it all.
