UK and the EU

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  1. pete

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    I think she was getting it in the neck, mostly from from the media, regarding what she said.

    Its good that she had the sense to step down and not continue to make it a long drawn out affair.
     
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    • pete

      pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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      And I'm just hoping Teresa May is more than a match for that bull dog Merkel who appears to be the voice of the EU.
       
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        I'm glad she's out. But I'm not convinced she's been two faced. She did the right thing to pull out. Because she is too spineless to be the boss of Britain right now. When I say she is too spineless, I don't mean that in a nasty way. She has said that the abuse she received was just too much to handle. Well if she can't hack it now, how can she possibly be expected to go nose to nose against Merkel and co while negotiating the terms of our exit.

        She's done the right thing. She's accepted she's not tough enough, and yielded to someone who is.
         
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          What a conundrum the BBC has had to face today.

          When I looked at lunch time, I saw the headline that Boeing is to create 2000 jobs in the UK. But oh no, what to do? They can't not report something that important, but it completely contradicts our doom mongering policy,said someone in the BBC presumably, because the same article is there, but the headline has been changed to make it look negative.

          But doom mongering aside, Boeing had decided it is going to be in Britain for its European projects, and it is going to employ people here, and it is going to invest in infrastructure in Britain, and this is in full knowledge that we're leaving the eu.

          http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36763212
           
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          • Anthony Rogers

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            " Boeing signs £3bn deal for nine marine patrol planes ".

            Sorry Clueless, I don't think that looks negative.
             
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              But look where it is?
              Boeing will build a new £100m facility for the planes at RAF Lossiemouth in Moray.

              So likely to still be within the EU if Sturgeon gets her way.
               
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                She won't though. Same with the Nuclear Subs at Faslane, she doesn't want them there, but too many Scottish jobs would be lost it would be unpopular.
                 
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                  Maybe you're right. I just think the new version of the headline puts the emphasis on Britain giving a huge sum of money to a foreign company.

                  The details in the article are all positive though. 2000 new jobs directly, presumably more than that in the supply chain and of course local communities with their shops and cafes serving the workers. British government and Boeing pooling money for research and development too, reigniting Britain's aerospace engineering prowess.
                   
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                    The British Aerospace Industry already a significant contributor in Satellites, aircraft, Missiles. Military Drones, Space hardware, Security Systems etc and employs around 115,000 people directly and around 275,000 indirectly.:hapydancsmil::love30: So the fact that Boeing is going to start manufacturing in the UK is, in truth, not going to be that significant regarding employment. But what is significant is Boeing's decision to place a manufacturing base in the UK. They must have thought it through thoroughly and have the USA Federal Government's approval. They know that the Brit's have the technical and scientific skills for their purposes and it's also possibly a political "shot across the bows" for the EU/USA trade talks that are taking so long and getting nowhere.:dunno::snorky:
                     
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                      As a percentage maybe. But 2000 new jobs is big in real terms. It's the equivalent of a whole village or small town suddenly going from flat broke to doing alright. But it's even more than that. It's something to start breaking down the argument of the naysayers and show them that Britain isn't actually dead.
                       
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                        It's part of the necessary qualification to be an MP. :blue thumb:
                         
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                          Where are they going to get the 2,000 employees from? A lot of them will need to be skilled so they'll need to train them.

                          I suppose that they may have access to inexperienced people only 44 miles away in Inverness. Although I understand that four and twenty of them are no longer inexperienced. ;) :whistle: :snork:
                           
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                          I'm going to be terribly negative here but am speaking from experience working for large multinationals in the aerospace industry.

                          For every one skilled engineer there will be a Team Leader plus Task Leader plus Project Manager plus an HR person. Above them will be a Delivery Manager, Run Manager, Quality Assurance Manager and Compliance Officer, then above them are the Transformation Groups who constantly re-organize the upper echelons plus the Process Groups who constantly change procedures and policies. It ends up as an inverted pyramid with more and more managers at each level, so one engineer will carry 20+ odd people above them.
                          Therefore a requirement for 2,000 employees actually requires around 100 skilled people - the rest are there to hinder 'manage' them.

                          But 2,000 extra jobs is not to be sniffed at.
                           
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                              We're getting a brand new fleet of awacs / nimrod type surveillance planes too. So the 3 billion is actually a big defence modernisation procurement plus research and development investment. Seems like a very sensible use of taxpayers money to me.
                               
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