UK and the EU

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  1. shiney

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    I've now almost got my EU Debate set up. :blue thumb:

    Got the venue and a MEP who used to be a Labour minister. Now I have to get a Brexit advocate. I'm also working on getting a good compere/chairman but already have someone in mind for it.
     
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      I see we have ordered a few spy planes from Boeing :snorky:
       
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      Shhh! That supposed to be secret! :nonofinger:
       
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        Is that why is was not on the front page of the paper but a few pages inside :snorky:
        Why didn't they buy the planes from the EU
        it's hard to keep both side happy :whistle::snorky:
         
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        Very simple answer to that. The Boeing is pretty much an off the shelf surveillance aircraft. The only real European option would be to redesign an Airbus to fulfil the role which would have been massively more expensive as well as having the potential of teething and engineering problems.
         
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          Nothing much then!!!!!!!:snorky:
           
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            We should have bought the Boeing years ago instead of shuffling around with the Nimrod, good idea but basically a worn out aircraft.
            Dont think the EU make much of that kind of stuff, bit like us, old fashioned.:biggrin:

            Nice to see you looking on the bright side of things @longk really cheered me up.:snorky:

            All I hear all the time is, we need to get lower property prices in order to bring in first time buyers, combine that with a "sensible"interest rate and things might start to look up, perhaps?

            2008, what has that got to do with it, its still the same now, nothing that I can see has changed for the bloke in the street.
            In fact I was better off back then, than I am now, earning less now than then.:scratch:
             
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              Got to be honest @longk - I would be one that would like to see property prices tumble. At 40 years old, I have little hope now of owning anything, despite whacking out mortgage money and more every single month. I am on a reasonably good wage (if I lived in the North of England it would be a cracker of a wage), but we are finding things tougher now than we did back in '08 and '09.

              My rent went up by over 9% earlier this year. My salary didn't go up at all, and last year it went up by 1%. So, yeah - my heart bleeds for all those people who have made £200k on their property investments in the past 10 years......
               
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                Well, in this lovely land we have blue tits, green tits and great tits - ladies and gentlemen, I give you the most supreme of them all - a right tit

                And he was spouting off only yesterday about the risks to security and peace if we choose to leave the EU - - seems to me that he has single-handedly done a lot more damage!
                 
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                  I'd never condemn anyone for speaking the truth, even old Dave.
                  Lets face it, they lie most of the time and then when they speak the truth it still aint right.:smile:

                  I dunno, who'd be a politician:biggrin:
                   
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                  Quite refreshing to hear a politician speak the truth @pete - however, as I keep getting told at work, maybe he should 'choose his audience' a bit more carefully?
                   
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                  I do my best :snork:

                  All well and good assuming that;
                  1] there are enough first time buyers in employement
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                  2] the banks don't take a double wammy of defaulted mortgages and repossessed properties with negative equity leaving them with a depleted pot to lend out.

                  Totally agree. And I'm worse off now as far as disposable income goes than I was twenty years ago.

                  Assuming that you're still employed (and it sounds as if you should be safe) then you should be one of the winners.
                   
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                    Its the kind of thing I prepared to bet, the Queen would go along with.
                    Dont like royalty as such, but I think behind the scenes they know what goes on in the world.

                    If you mean "audience" as us the public, doesn't bother me what either of those countries think about it, as its probably true.
                     
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                    I think there are many good reasons to leave, and equally many good reasons to stay. However I worry a bit about the argument that immigration drives down wages. This implies that wages will go up if immigration is stopped. But why would that happen? Would it be because businesses would find it harder to recruit the staff they need, making them less profitable than their European counterparts, who might want to export to Britain? And conversely, if a British company wants to export to Europe, but Europe already has the same products domestically at a lower price, who will people buy from?

                    In Britain we have got ourselves stuck in a vicious circle. We demand higher pay than many of our foreign counterparts. We generally get it. So we have more disposable income than our foreign counterparts, so everyone puts prices up so we actually need more money. It's unsustainable whether we're in or out of the eu.
                     
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                      Deleted my post content because I had linked to an article which turns out to be very dubious indeed.
                       
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