UK and the EU

I keep promising myself not to be taunted by this thread but here goes ( again )...

The Chinese didn't destroy our steel, that was mass produced media hype.

They produced a product which was, and is, cheaper than what we produce.

Isn't that one of the major rules of competition.

Isn't that what competition is ? To outdo your competitors .

 

And lower quality. And at a loss to China. Ie they were and are selling it at a loss as a loss leader. It was an effort to stimulate their own growth and it was working but now it's going through other way.

Also in terms of quality, remember that devastating building collapse on Taiwan recently? The steel for that was found to be so poor quality that criminal proceedings were considered. So next time you're in a multistorey building, just think, it might literally be nothing more than a baked bean tin holding you up.

 

Yes somewhat worrying that the new Forth bridge (Queensferry Crossing) is being constructed out of Chinese steel. At least the current road bridge only started to have steel failures recently, it was opened in 1964, bet the new 1 will shows up weaknesses much quicker than that but expect I'll be under the sod by then!

 

@clueless1 ,

As to loss leaders I presume you don't buy anything from the likes or Tescos, Asda, Morrisons etc ( especially milk or alcohol ! ! ! )

I'm in a multi storey building a lot of the time , I live in a twelve storey block of flats.

Aa to the Chinese building their own buildings out of it then that is due to their own cost cutting etc.

@silu , I don't think you need to worry on that score, we have some of the most stringent building regs on the World. Everything will have been tested fully.

 

I like this quote:

A senior Conservative told the BBC it was "laughable" to think Mr Osborne would still be chancellor if the UK voted to leave, adding: "He'll be carried away by the men in white coats before he gets the chance to make these ludicrous proposals."

In response to further threats of austerity if we vote to leave.

 

Interesting point. The Chinese are looking at the UK as a potential opportunity to be a major player in post Brexit. So you say that one of the main drivers for your out vote is the EU position on Turkey (given their human rights record) yet seem happy to swap that for China and its frankly diabolical human rights record? Whilst at the same time handing the UK sovereignty over to Murdoch and his chums?

Normally I would agree with you. Sadly, and I really do hate having to admit this, for once Georgie Porgie is right (IMO).

The whole Brexit thing is a sham. It is being led by people whose only real interest is furthering their political careers at the expense of the economic security of the people of the UK. If they get their way and are in power when (not if) it all goes belly up they will simply shrug their shoulders and say "there was no way of predicting this" before scuttling off to their country piles.
On the other hand the Stay campaign is being led by people who are clearly desperately trying to hang on to their political careers which in all fairness is equally off-putting.

 

Sorry @clanless ,

I think that is one of the most ludicrous, stupid remarks ever made by a politician.

How many people have you seen being carried away by men in white coats lately, let alone a Cabinet Minister.

This is just the sort of pathetic, childish remark that I've come to expect of Farage, Johnson and all their cronies.

They are not taking this experience ( for that's what it is, an experience for all of us to decide on the future of our Country ), seriously and yet they expect the millions of lemmings to follow them blindly over the edge.

 

A statement of no consequence in my opinion as the Tories have once again hit the self destruct button over Europe. He will remain as chancellor post Brexit for as long as Cameron remains. Certainly long enough to call an emergency budget.

 

I've often said we should stop buying china's rubbish.

But that's a separate issue. While China has a diabolical human rights record, as far as I know, and I don't mind being enlightened if I'm wrong, we do not actively bribe China to send escaped child refugees straight back into a war zone.

 

So do I - which is why it made me titter .

 

Really, could you stoop much lower than this...

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...-company-eu-policies-fish-processing-aberdeen

 

I've done another complete u turn.

I read some reports from our European neighbours. As well as a report of surveys from all over Europe.

I found that my concerns about the eu are shared by very many, in many countries, across every demographic. That can only mean that change is inevitable sooner or later. I have never had a beef with the ordinary people of Europe, so I don't really want them to get shafted, as I think they will if we choose to light the blue touch paper and retreat.

I also got to thinking more about my primary objection. That is the eu bribing turkey to send people back into a war zone. If one of my friends did something horrible to innocent people, I could express my disapproval by walking away, leaving him to get on with it. Or I could stick around and try to stop him and make him see sense. What sort of person would I be if I turned my back? If we leave the eu, nobody there is going to stop and say to themselves, oh dear, this is because cl1 disapproves of us bribing turkey. They'll be too busy watching the rest of the union slowly falling to pieces as other euroskeptics step up their game,egged on by our example.

 

Hi Clueless,

Does this mean you're going to vote remain ?

 

Probably. Let's hope that Osborne quickly learns to keep his mouth shut. Because every time he opens it I'm pushed more towards leave.