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    pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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    Guess what?
    The new stop cock installed by S.E water ,(they who flooded the kitchen back in June), has started leaking, so I got onto my insurance which I have via S.E Water today.

    They said they will send someone out tomorrow morning, hope its not "Wallace and Grommit" again.
    Kind of makes me wonder if the underground job "Laurel and Hardy" did is still leak free.
     
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      Fingers crossed they get it fixed quickly for you @pete
       
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        pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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        Plumber came today from Homeserve, took the offending joint apart, he showed me this.
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        The short section of plastic pipe installed by Southern Water.
        The olive on one end was only half on the end of the pipe, that is to say the pipe was too short.
        He also said there should have been pipe inserts on both ends.

        Looks to me like a bodge job.

        Now got a new section of copper in there so hoping that has sorted it.
         
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          there should be two copper inserts in both end
           
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            I've just had a plumber out to fix a leak in the kitchen. It was under the sink and turned out to be on the hot feed.

            We drained down the main tank (stops pressure feed to the hot cylinder), he removed the leaking joint (it was a screw on/off that had gone and the olive was worn) and had to take the pipe apart at two other joints further away each side as accessibility was a problem, replaced the screw joint with a much better lever joint, went round the house and up into the loft to check all the stop cocks to make sure they hadn't stiffened up, labelled each one, waited for the tank to refill so that he could check that there was no air blockage and only charged me £50 (which included the cost of the new joint).

            Needless to say, I now have him on speed dial. I've also booked him to replace both outside taps (I replaced the washers but no go) and a few other jobs. I've also passed his card to friends. :blue thumb:
             
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              pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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              I'm now slightly worried about the fix he did,(original plumber from SE Water), on the central heating pipe which he cut through by mistake, he put a section of copper and a section of plastic in.
              Hoping that as its not under mains pressure it will be OK.
               
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                I completely re-plumbed our house myself and have only ever employed a plumber twice, once for a wiped lead joint repair, and the other time to replace a kitchen tap that I couldn't get to myself (when I re-fitted our kitchen, I fixed that tap + sink to the worktop together with tails attached then lowered the whole lot onto the units, and always wondered how it would be replaced).

                NB DIY under sink plumbing always adds the cost of a 'few beers' to the cost of materials as it's a complete PITA.
                 
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                  A lot of heating systems are now run through poly pipe as standard @pete, so it should be fine. CH water temps are usually around 70-75ºC which is well within the tolerances for poly
                   
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                  Not so much the fact there is a bit of plastic involved, more the fact it was done without inserts and who knows if the olives are actually fitting onto the end of the pipe.
                   
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                    I would have thought that you would have found out by now if it were a similarly bad job, bearing in mind that the heat alone will make things expand a little bit and become that wee bit more pliable - the pressure is usually up to 2-bar, even 2.5-bar on some systems when hot, so that wouldn't be shy about finding a weak spot in the system and getting out. If I were you, I would worry about that if and when a problem shows up - and if a problem does show up, you know the first place to start looking....
                     
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                    Its just that my insurance covers main water supply and internal plumbing.
                    Dont think it covers heating.

                    And this leak on the cold water has taken 6 months to show.
                     
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                    I'm a total non-DIY person so wouldn't even attempt it. I used to be happy to work harder to pay someone to do things for me. Nowadays I couldn't even get under the sink to do any plumbing even if I wanted to!

                    If people do a good job for me they are always welcome to my help and advice on non DIY matters. It works well. :blue thumb:
                     
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                      pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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                      I have a bash at most things, less these days than I used to.

                      I've done some plumbing in the past, changing taps etc, but its always a struggle, things difficult to get at etc.
                      Then I usually end up with a leak.
                      So now got insurance, and it covers underground as well, so no digging for me.
                       
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                        Leaks tend to show up much quicker on central heating pipes in my experience @pete - thankfully they are also much easier to contain and also generally a wee bit easier to fix, especially with the push together poly pipes and fittings that can be used nowadays;
                         
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