Who told us to plant exotics.

You guys and your CO2 debate ... its taking everyone's eye off getting weaned off fossil fuels ... not long until they run out now.

 

Thats very true Kristen.

I don't want to detract from that fact, i'm just wondering if there is a hidden agenda. It could be just that. The worlds leaders know that the oil is going to run out & that we have little other fuel sources to replace it. So they convince everyone that the planet will warm up too much if we dont cut down on its use, just to take our minds off the fact that its running out.

I'm definately not saying lets keep on burning fossil fuels despite what the government tells us. I know that will have to end soon & that we will see a return to a farming & manufacturing economy much as it was pre industrial revolution, only this time we have 6 Billion mouths to feed.

Unless we start planning for that type of future now then its going to be a total shock when it happens.

We can't grow enough bio fuel to sustain this level of transport and feed ourselves, there simply isn't enough arable land. If we switch to electric cars then we could use nuclear, solar, tide, hydro & wind power, but we'd need a lot.

If we were to plan now, we could re instate & extend the canal system. Many regularly needed goods could go by canal, it just needs a bit of forethought. Barges could replace many lorries & be towed by horses.

When it comes to electricity generation governments seem to think in megawatts, huge systems that imediately get the NIMBY's backs up.

Power can be produced at any point on a rivers journey to the sea, small scale turbines not only produce local power but also create jobs, installation, maintenance. A lot of small scale wind turbines dont annoy folk as much as one sodding great big one that you can see for miles.

We already have pump storage "batteries" in the National grid, they use off peak power to pump water up so it can drive turbines when demand is greatest. So if someone says wind power is no good when the wind isn't blowing, just remind them of that.

I have been thinking about these things.

I'm just not convinced that we're out of the ice age yet, thats all.0)

 

I'd join in here but the title of the thread is putting me off.

Its almost like an old Ronnie Corbet joke, but then I digress.:D

 

Sorry Pete, we've gone from fancy shrubs to saving the planet via Gardeners Corner Election manifesto.

Must be the middle of winter. One week till solstice :dh:

 

Just an observation, ziggy.

 

Yes sorry Roders - we seem to have hijacked your thread.

But you did say - what say you? :o

 

"only this time we have 6 Billion mouths to feed."

At the current 1% population growth (doesn't seem a lot does it?) that will be 12 billion mouths in 70 years time ...

 

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If you are all worried about warming up the earth it would be EXTREMELY simple for each of you to do your part, go and live in a sod house in the middle of a field somewhere!

Turn off your electricity,don't use oil or coal or gas or use those nasty roads ,hug a tree for free!:thmb:

The chancers who have fooled others into belivinge all their hot air, manage to leave a massive carbon footprint, more than anyone else!

The indian who is the head of the climate warming mob, makes Burlusconi look like an angel, with all his companies inter twined so that they charge and double charge for imaginary advice.

It said in todays paper the the that the latest deal in Cancun will only transfer money from the poor in rich countries to the rich in poor countries,look out Switerland!

Let those who cry wolf start practising what they preach for once!

Me i'm off to put the kettle on the peat fire and make a cup of tea to settle my nerves!

Ps, have to stop using peat and drinking tea, bad for my carbon footprint!k-lk-l

 

Spoken like a true Gentleman.

 

OK sod the title.

I'm just wondering what's going to happen when the government gets us all running around in electric cars.
The lights will dim, (more likely go out), as we all put our motors on charge every evening, and we will be unable to get to work the next morning due to the power cut.

The loss of revenue from petrol will need to be maintained so I guess we will all have to have new meters installed, at great expense, that will charge us premium rates for charging our cars.

Why do I think we will be the losers whatever happens?:D

 

Precisely John, we need to re think the entire getting from A to B, commuting, trades people passing each other as a person from town B goes to do a job in town A, while a person from town A goes to do a job in town B.

If we start to rebuild the canal infrastructure now, for non essential goods, regularly needed stuff could be on a "conveyor belt" without costing a shed load of diesil. It would create jobs, stables, inns, wearhouses etc. The byproduct of the horse drawn canal boat is what we gardeners want & so on.

Blimey, if the Romans could work it out 2,500 years ago, why can't we work it out now ?

 

You cannot be serious Ziggy.
So I would only be allowed to work in the town that I live?

Just stand on a motorway bridge and watch the artics from Lithuania, Poland, Latvia and all points east.
Put that on a "stream" with a horse pulling it and you'd have the largest clogged up open sewer in the world.


"Blimey, if the Romans could work it out 2,500 years ago, why can't we work it out now ? "

Because there was hardly anybody on the planet in those days, thats why.

 

No Pete, I'm not saying replace all of it over night, Rome wasn't built in a day :wink:

I'm not suggesting a restriction on where people can work, just questioning the pointlesness of wasting a finite resource, ie fuel, when a bloke next door can do the same job as someone from 50 miles away. There has to be something in pricing that could take "job miles" into account ?

I'm also trying to point out that if we do nothing,don't sort out any new infrastructure, then when petrol goes up to £25 a litre then we are going to start worrying where the next bog roll is going to come from, never mind imported goods from Poland or Japan.

I haven't got the answers, but if we don't start thinking about them now then we are going to have a bit of a future shock when it comes to it.

 

The other thing I was going to say was that when I was a kid & mother ordered something from the catalogue, it came by rail to the nearest distribution point & then went out by BRS couriers to the house. That don't seem to happen now.