Why don't members give some indication of their gardening qualificatons.

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  1. HarryS

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    I have a bumbling incompetent gardener with honours degree.:sad:
     
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      I think if one wants specific information, it’s easy enough to look on the ‘net’ and find what you’re looking for. For me, this forum is about sharing our own experiences, both offering and asking for information amongst like-minded folks.
      Yours, a qualified nitwit :)
       
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        First class? :heehee:
         
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          Nah, everything I do is definitely second class :)
           
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            I'm not even qualified for being a nitwit.

            After my partner passed, I decided I would like to have lots of flowers in the garden, when my daughter and grandaughter came to live here I thought growing vegetables would be the way to go. Like many It's hit and miss, mainly miss........But ha there's always next season.
             
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              I’ve only recently (this year) started growing veg again, in my 3 raised beds. Some veggies did well, while others not so well. I know it can be disappointing when certain crops fail (I’ve had my share :doh:), but to me that’s all part of the gardening bug, to try to do better next time round. I play golf (not very well), but if I could hit the ball perfectly every time, I’d soon find it boring.
               
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                Gardening qualifications..........Zero. (Just so you know). :)
                 
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                  Garden......11 out of 10:love30::thumbsup:
                   
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                    Thanks everyone for your input.

                    As I have implied before. My feelings are much the same as Upsy's closing sentence to her post.

                    I am one of those who does have plenty of documentatin and even a title. To be honest, IMHO, the certificates look good but that's all.But that's about all. Casting my mind back to days on the GLC. We would get students in the summer break, from medical and horticultural colleges. A chance to earn a bit of beer money. I am not joking. Those from the horticultural schools. Honest. When it came to dishing out the days work. Scuse me Guv. What tools do I need? Fair do's talking about plants and plant culture, there was nothing they didn't know. I took a liking to a med student. He was a 3rd yt doctor. He really loved plants, had a great aptitude for the natural world etc. Actually medical studies do inclued a vast amount of botany etc. We got on famouse, as my ambition was to go to med school. I did read medicine for three yrs, but being a cop and having a young family. It was too much. So as I have stated and much in line with one or two other forum members. Give me a person that has a love, a disire and a living closeness to the natural world's fauna and flora.
                     
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                    • Philippa

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                      Paper qualifications rarely mean much in any sphere without practical experience to back them up.
                      I've found the paper can be useful in the compost bin though !
                       
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                        I have lots of bits of paper with qualifications on them and I don't even remember taking some of the tests.

                        I'm trying to tidy my office and have, only today, come across my results of my 15FQ Psychometric test - all six pages of it :rolleyespink:. The conclusions drawn are that I appear to be two different people :yikes:. I've been telling myself that for years but I don't listen to me! :sad:
                         
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                            Hi Folks. I can see why this forum is called. The Friendly Gardening Forum. I am happy and proud to be part of it.
                            OK. We have had our say, and perhaps the outcome would list us as amateur gardeners. OK. So we have decided that certificate etc can be classed along with Izal, Andrex and cushielle. Now. What are your views on. The writings, lectures etc, erc of individuals of the academic world.

                            For example. Say I wrote a piece on some plant or other. A member replies. What a load of c... Turns out. The author is a an eminant doctor of plant pathology and plants sciences. Our forum friend, admits. She lives on the 18th floor of an East London towerblock and has a indoor window box. Would not some respect be due to the academic?
                             
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                              I think respect is given, Mike,, by Laymen/Women to most Academics......to a degree. It all depends on the usefulness of the Paper to the practical, working world and those, such as Gardeners, who can find it useful.
                              Academia, on it's own, shouldn't automatically demand respect, whether from an 18th Floor of a Tower Block or a University, as it's the author and the work of that Author that has to earn that respect by proving it's practical usefulness.

                              Again, such work written at a high plane of scientific botanical level would probably only earn the respect of the extremely small circle of Botanist Scientists that would read, and appreciate it. I have one or two books of that Nature regarding Grasses and Soil but, to be honest, I only bought them to satisfy my curiosity regarding specific questions and found anything in the books beyond that area to be of little interest.
                              So, for most of the ordinary Gardeners, including me, they want reasonable simple answers to reasonably simple questions and problems given by people long experienced in those matters and academic papers do not usually satisfy that function because of the "higher" language used.
                              So, in a world where a Gardener is sometimes pitting her/his wits against Nature in the real world, and learning the hard way from that experience, a person who has several Phd's and has written several Papers on Botanical subjects will not, by right, automatically, gain or deserve the respect as what is in the Head is not always in the Hands. So when a person's Academic qualifications are displayed and used to gain respect, admiration, of the ordinary person it doesn't always have that effect.
                               
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                                Re academic papers:- that's what peer reviews are for, and even then the reviews don't always get it right. :noidea:

                                In gardening, hands on proof is much better as far as I'm concerned. Empirical proof works for me :thumbsup:. I'll continue to talk to our plants when I'm working with them. :biggrin:
                                 
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