Woos Fight against the Vineyards

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  1. wiseowl

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    Plans for the new winery were rejected by Medway Council’s Planning Committee in March 2022 and are now being appealed by Vineyard Farms at an Inquiry to be held at the Corn Exchange, Rochester at 10am on Thursday 23rd March 2023 for between 9 and 11 days. Individual speakers may request to speak if present on the first day of the appeal.

    Below is the full Statement of Case submitted by Cuxton Parish Council and Cuxton Against the Winery in December 2022, together with the Barrister’s advice, courtesy of Brian MacDonald, on the legal situation regarding Green Belt.

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    Click here to download the CPC and CAW Full Statement of Case

    Click here to download the CPC and CAW proof of evidence for Heritage

    Click here to download the CPC and CAW proof of evidence for Traffic

    Click here to download the document containing Legal Advice on the Green Belt

    Click here to download the document containing advice on how to present at a public inquiry

    • This will not bring jobs to Medway
      The UK has an acute shortage of workers in agriculture, hospitality, construction, and transportation, and, importantly, seasonal migrant workers. This facility would take workers from employment elsewhere in Medway, Kent and from abroad.
    • KWV’s ‘sustainable transport’ plan is misleading
      It is based on traffic data taken at one edge of the village, not those entering the congested village centre. An independent survey showed levels of traffic were actually 4 X greater. This will be intolerable for residents.
    • Insufficient waste water capacity
      Southern Water’s current capability to dispose of wastewater environmentally safely is insufficient for this development. Other areas in the region are halting construction work because of water shortages and contamination.
    • This huge commercial building
      With an area of two football pitches, gouged 11 metres into the chalk hill, will function 6am – 12pm in an area of peace and dark skies, nationally protected as an Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty (AONB) and Green Belt.
    • AONB damage
      In adjacent Luddesdown, also in the AONB, KWV have ploughed up the same type of chalk grassland habitat, including nesting ground for skylarks, a bird on the Red list of greatest conservation concern. The Biodiversity Officer considers this habitat essential for maintaining biodiversity.
    A protest page opposing the Vineyard Farms plans that will destroy an Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty at Upper Bush in Cuxton, Kent and impinge on the Metropolitan Green Belt between Medway & Gravesend.
     
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    Yes been there got the T shirt I tried once full of principals and morals and believed that I could buck the system then ended up with more knives in my back than Julius Caesar;)
     
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      I was a member of my Parish Council for 15 years, I seen dishonestly first hand with certain local & County Councils. I won't name them as I don't have the proof these days.
       
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        I have sympathy with you Woo. Planning is always a total con.
        Around here they took some green belt for future development with absolute conditions applied for xyz reasons including separation of towns. A proposal went in to the planning committee yesterday with huge number of objections based on what is not acceptable under council planning requirements and the requirements of the conditions. You'll never guess what happened...
         
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          Hello did someone mention my name:heehee: hopefully I shall be there tomorrow if they let me in Ive met him once he certainly worked for his money started at 16 selling Peat by the wheelbarrow load he's an Essex boy left school delivered sanswiches on a bike etc there's no airs and graces with him,I just don't want his grapes on my doorstep:heehee::heehee::heehee:

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            Slightly off topic. A few years ago I spent a very pleasant late summers evening walking through vineyards on an island in the Rhine listening to the birds singing and watching masses of swifts, swallows and martins whizzing around. There were nest boxes along the eaves of the vineyard buildings.
            The wine was pretty good as well.
             
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              I can sympathise Woo. :frown:

              The residents here in Beauly have just been told that planning is going in for three huge electricity substations, each one the size of three football stadiums. We already have one about three miles away and one of the new ones will be built on high ground (so completely visible) just a mile or so from where I live. The current pylons in the area are going to be changed to larger ones too - I didn't know they made them any bigger than they already are. :mad:

              There's a residents meeting to fight this in a fortnight. I don't think the result of that will make the slightest difference.
               
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                That's upsetting @Sheal :(
                The annoying thing is that even if the residents are successful and convince the council in rejection then the subsequent appeal will just approve it. We had the same here with a tower block
                 
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                  Whilst I have every sympathy for people who find new developments are planned in their vacinity which impacts on their area. Unfortunately we can't buy a view.
                   
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                  @zilly your not a councillor sitting on a planning committee are you:heehee::heehee::heehee: sorry just joking:sofa:;)
                   
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                    I can't spot a difference :what:

                    The 'Before' picture has oilseed rape which to my mind is worse than seeing grapevines, and the rape smells awful if you have one nearby in wet weather.

                    We have a few vineyards around here, I don't see them as intrusive or spoiling the view. My only gripe is their wine is way too expensive.
                     
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                      Me a Councillor nooooo. :spinning:
                       
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                        With respect I never said I found them intrusive or spoiling my view ,this thread is not about how other people see them or your perception of them its a personal thing to me and I shall keep fighting to keep the Green belt and areas of natural outstanding beauty as it is:old:;):smile:
                         
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                          I can see the impact of traffic being undesirable, I can understand that if its land you have always walked and are now not allowed being a downside, but grapes are a crop, just like oil seed rape or often back in the day, hops.

                          It will still be green belt, and maybe a vineyard is a good way of keeping it like that, nobody plants grapevines as a short term project.
                           
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                            Its all this Global warming let see what happens when we have some cold Winters back again:heehee::heehee::heehee:
                             
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